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Canada
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So, how many Second Dino coins suggested to buy in order to "cover" all the RCM 2013 coin orders? It is a joke...I will not do it. But interesting, if it possible.
Edited by Silveroid 01/20/2013 11:07 am
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Canada
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It seems people are "ready? Get set, and Run" for this coin. 2013 Amazing Race :)
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 Canada
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with my ears and eyes in various forums, I tend to believe this will be slod out quickly though it is not in collectors' eyes.
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Valued Member
 Canada
200 Posts |
with my ears and eyes in various forums, I tend to believe this will be sold out quickly though it is not in collectors' eyes.
Hoarders are ready...lol...will see the limit,3 or 6 per household?
Edited by cheney 01/20/2013 1:10 pm
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Canada
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I think this coin is going to collapse on the hoarders. The first dino really plummeted in price once the Mint finally got their stuff together. I have seen the price of the first coin drop all the way down to $65 and now has picked up some momentum that the second one is on the way. But there are still way too many of the first ones for sale to suggest this is going to be anything like the bird series. Hoarders are going to be disappointed expecting to make money off the second one. I expect profits overall, but nothing to make it worth the while.
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Canada
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^^^^^^^^^^^ A coin sold today for $89 and one yesterday for $86. I disagree entirely with collapse of the the 2nd coin. I suggest People buy as many of the 2nd coin as possible. Obviously the 2nd coin will not do as well but should still be 2x list. If you mange to sell 10 of them, you should make several hundred dollars.
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Canada
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I think the second one will be a total BUST!!
There will be way too many on the secondary market. Supply will be greater than demand. People will panic and prices will DROP.
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Canada
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I'll throw a dart at the board... I think the second coin might be the straw that weakens the NCLT market's back. There is little doubt that the bubble created by the RCM is going to burst (just don't know when). That is, they are producing too many overpriced, low mintage coins. Dealers call this supporting the secondary market but all it is doing is turning the hobby into a commodity based business. It happened with hockey cards, beanie babies, cabbage patch kids, etc. etc. Sellers who have little or no interest in the products enter the market lured by quick bucks and it hurts the hobby. (BTW, it's hard to blame resellers for taking advantage of that opportunity) Eventually, collectors will get turned off by artificially inflated prices and the whole house of cards will come crashing down. The 2nd GITD won't kill the NCLT market but it could weaken it. Here's why I think that might happen: a. Resellers are already salivating waiting to buy as many as they can at issue price b. Once sold out, those resellers will be looking for big returns i.e. inflated prices c. The GITD coins are gimmicks. Cool for kids but frankly do they want a set of them?! One is plenty for most kids and if they got the first one, well...they don't need the second d. the long delays with the first one left a sour taste in buyer's mouths e. the design of the second coin appears to be less desirable than the first f. est. mintage of 30k is relative large. Even current bird coins take months to sell out (some are even discounted) and that despite everyone knowing that the early coins did very well g. lots of resellers are holding on to the first coin hoping that buyers of the second will pay premiums for it but if they buy up all the second, people may not want either. h. Did I mention the coins are gimmicky? That's just my 5 cents on it. Of course, I could be completely wrong (it's happened before) and it could sell for 200 bucks. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Edited by CC-Ottawa 01/20/2013 11:58 pm
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Canada
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i think the second dino coin will be equivalent to the bumblebee. There might be slight price increase but not as much as the first coin
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Valued Member
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I agree with Moneypenny and disagree entirely with collapse of the the 2nd coin though the price will not be as hot as the 1st.
I also disagree "One is plenty for most kids and if they got the first one, well...they don't need the second". Do you ever find a kid with only one set of Lego or a single transformer or a little Barbie? Impossible...IMO
As for 30K mintage, we should not judge it from the perspective of Canadian market. US, China, Europe...they have already known the series and ready to jump in. I believe all the major coin dealers will make profit from it.
Last but not least, this coin is not an "expensive" one, is it? ;)
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Valued Member
Canada
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I see denial. There is starting to be a list of all the latest duds. There was the Varley coin. There was the Two Loons coin (Completely collapsed on hoarders). There was the Bateman coins. The Niobium coin. If all these latest examples of the "Next best thing" aren't a registering as a red flag for hoarders, then there is no hope. Hoarders are falling into the Mint trap. They think they belong into some exclusive world of profit because of being a MC member, when really, they are where the Mint wants them. They are basically volunteers to keep the secondary market active. I think it is funny how these so called delays from the Mint are actually temporarily driving prices and sales. So a coin sells out right away, collectors go to ebay to get the coin, but there is very little of them out there because of delays, which drives the prices even more. Then 6 months later when the coins are finally released, everyone gets them, lists them on ebay, then the prices fall. This is happening way too often.
Edited by Lithanial 01/21/2013 06:28 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Look at the Wildlife series, I saw a wolf go at auction yesterday for $56 dollars. They got scarce and expensive, people couldn't find/afford them so they lost interest and moved on. Now you hear very little excitement or anticipation on the release of the final coin.
The dino's don't even have the built in advantage of being silver. No silver, 25 cent face, I will get my two for the kid's collection but don't think I will hoard for future profit.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I also disagree "One is plenty for most kids and if they got the first one, well...they don't need the second". Do you ever find a kid with only one set of Lego or a single transformer or a little Barbie? Impossible...IMO
As for 30K mintage, we should not judge it from the perspective of Canadian market. US, China, Europe...they have already known the series and ready to jump in. I believe all the major coin dealers will make profit from it. Didn't really plan to defend my post line by line but...Coins are not Lego or Barbies (toys). Apples and bananas. No kid plays with a coin for hours. They pick it up, see that it glows or shines, say 'cool', put it down and walk away. Yes there is a collector component for some long established toy brands but in the end they are primarily toys. NCLT coins are just collectibles. Of course RCM NCLTs play in a global market but tell me the last 30k mintage RCM coin that sold out in less than a month? The closest that I can think of would be the 1/2 Penny and that one, despite being Ag and having a great design and mass appeal, is still available close to issue. You could argue that the GITD design has a wider audience but the 2nd coin is not going to get the press that the first one did. i.e. feature on news programs, on line newspapers, Colbert Report etc. My only parting advice to those who 'jump in on this one' is to sell early to take advantage of uneducated buyers. This is not a buy and hold in my opinion.
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Canada
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@denco7
Yes your logic makes a lot of sense. That's why the early issue bird coins are selling for a much higher percent premium than silver coins released at the same time. Fact is the First of any release is always the most sought after. The second coin will also demand a premium. I think the second coin will be selling for 50-100% over issue price. Even a 50% profit is worth hording away 20 coins. Easy money. I would not want to get stuck with hundreds of these coins should the coin be a flop and just sell for a little over the issue price, like the current bird coins. Either way 10 to 20 coins is a small risk.
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