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Bedrock of the Community
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So who would pay for all the necessary changes to all the machines that take the present coinage and bills?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Who paid last time? (I am on trying to be a smart aleck, I truly cannot remember...)
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Moderator
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Quote: If there was say only 1 gas station for 30 miles that would be a candidate to always round up since people dont really have a choice In that case, their prices are already going to be high. Rounding up would be irrelevant.
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Pillar of the Community
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coins are going away and will be nothing but ceremonial objects in fifty or sixty years. digital money will take over and carry with it, its own risks and benefits. this conversation about money should have been had in the 1970s. Congressional inaction up to this point basically spells the end of coinage. Parochial interests have kept the $1 FRN afloat long after its value-proposition usefulness peaked.
I recently had a conversation with Scott Travers about this subject and he essentially echoed my thoughts. What happens after coins no longer circulate? for the hobby... it's probably not good.
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Quote: For the side that advocates change, do you think that a phased approach make more sense and be easier to digest than a big switch? Just look to the North. They converted to a dollar coin and then a two dollar coin. They survived the changes and are still up there, living life. They just dumped their cent. I suspect they will still be there next year, looking at their southern friends who are still living in the 20th century.  Quote: coins are going away and will be nothing but ceremonial objects in fifty or sixty years. digital money will take over and carry with it, its own risks and benefits. this conversation about money should have been had in the 1970s. Congressional inaction up to this point basically spells the end of coinage. I agree.
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Quote: So who would pay for all the necessary changes to all the machines that take the present coinage and bills? No one. The machines already take dollar coins (at least the ones I use do). That is it. There is no need to change a machine to no longer accept a cent, a nickel, or a dollar note. I am not worried about a two or five dollar coin right now. It will never happen, considering how long it has taken the nix the cent and dollar not (which, as you know, has not actually happened).
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I recently had a conversation with Scott Travers about this subject and he essentially echoed my thoughts. What happens after coins no longer circulate? for the hobby... it's probably not good. Yep, I agree. If younger generations never use coins, almost nobody will ever collect them. Prices will fall and in the very long run, pretty much all coins except real rarities will be nothing, but novelties. It's already happened with stamps. Price guides still show lofty values for somewhat old and semi-rare pieces, but nobody is buying. Setting aside all the economic and socioeconomic reasons for or against major overhauls and the ultimate elimination of physical currency, what would it do for the hobby. Well, approximately 20 years later the hobby will suffer and prices will drop. 50 years after, it will be all, but dead. Saying "well, we still collect ancients and those societies don't even exist anymore...kind of" is not a proper argument because we still have our own coins and thus an association with their value and collect-ability. If a new generation does not understand currency other than a number on their computer, they will simply see all coins, ancients up to modern, as "old things." Someone might pay a premium for a 1916 SLQ because that one is a "special old thing." Even the 1923-S SLQ worth hundreds now...who's gonna buy that.
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It is a good thing I am not in this for profit. On the plus side, I might be able to complete more series than I had originally planned. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Well, approximately 20 years later the hobby will suffer and prices will drop. 50 years after, it will be all, but dead Crumb. If it follows that timeline, by the time I can afford a 1916 SLQ I won't remember I need one...probably won't know what one is...
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Pillar of the Community
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The problem is, this isn't about us, here, right now, and if we care about future profit or not. The problem is that future generation (and those of us under 30-40 may see it in our lifetime) won't care whatsoever about completing any coin sets at all. It just makes me feel really sad. Value is something we consider, whether some of us admit it or not. Why is it that any of us have collected coins and not pieces of tree bark, vintage fabric, or old nails. Those things have history and variety too, but would you want them. No, because nobody thinks they have value. Your collection would be meaningless and lackluster. No matter how much you may theoretically like any of the random examples I chose, there would be nobody to appreciate them with, nobody talk or compare them with. Just imagine if you had a prized high grade IHC set. Somebody takes out your 1877 for the equivalent of $20 and tosses the rest into some bin for antiques and nobody knows anything about them other than that they were old coins. I don't think you'd enjoy your hobby the same
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: State taxes should be included in the final sale price, not added on, which produces the current inconvenience of hoarded small change. I wish this was standard practice anyway, what you see is what you pay. Quote: In that case, their prices are already going to be high. Rounding up would be irrelevant. Very true, considering how many pennies get lost or thrown into fountains I really wonder how much money people would actually be out even if everything was rounded to a nickel. Quote: For the side that advocates change, do you think that a phased approach make more sense and be easier to digest than a big switch? Agreed with Jbuck, slow change would be better than a massive overhaul that really would be a shock. Quote: So who would pay for all the necessary changes to all the machines that take the present coinage and bills? That actually probably wouldnt be as much as an issue as people think. A lot of machines (especially vending machines) are being replaced for ones that also accept credit cards anyway, it wouldnt be that hard to revamp the ones that havent gone out if they dont already take a dollar coin
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Quote: Why is it that any of us have collected coins and not pieces of tree bark, vintage fabric, or old nails. If you only knew...  If the future of coin collecting in is jeopardy, then the mission of this community becomes even more important.
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Quote: Agreed with Jbuck, slow change would be better than a massive overhaul that really would be a shock. Yes, but we needed to start yesterday. By the time we do something about the cent or dollar, I am sure Canada will have already phased out their five cent coin and five dollar notes 
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Valued Member
United States
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In my laziness I only read the original rant :D
Not sure if someone already mentioned this but ATMs are going the other direction. They will soon be dispensing lower denomination bills...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: or old nails.  ... caught me red handed!  This is a date nail still positioned where it was installed/used. The nails were driven into a new RR tie when it was installed. When the tie had to be replaced, they would check the 2 digit date on the nail head and keep track (pun?) of the data so they could determine which type of ties (wood) and which type of treatments would last the longest. Here is likely the smallest complete set (normally collected by railroad company) - the Western MD RR:  The copper nail (called a Hubbard nail) in the middle has a two inch diameter head, and is one of two known (and you are looking at the only known complete set). The Hubbards were driven into the side of a telegraph/telephone pole in the RR right of way. No one really knows what the purpose of them was since anyone who would be know to look for the nail would already know what RR they were on! Some did have numbers on them and maybe coordinated with maps so someone could report a location to the office by looking at the number on the Hubbar nail (?). And, OK, not that anyone would likely know - but there actually is one nail missing in the pic. The year 1956 had two different fonts used - I own one - just not in the pic! And last, but certainly not least - and limiting myself to these 3 pics so as not to divert this thread further - here is a (hastily taken lousy picture) of a complete set of round Sante Fe RR date nails (they made pentagon and diamond shaped heads with numbers also).  No, none (except the Hubbard - ~250.00) of these are worth much anymore. The last price guide for date nails was put out in 1976. So why in the world do I care enough to collect them? B/c it is fun, interesting to me, and a part of history that without nuts like myself would be totally forgotten. So even if the future of coin collecting becomes a dead end like the once (believe it or not!) thriving/growing hobby of date nails, no one can erase the fun I derive from them. One glaring difference stands out though between my nails and my coins: any silver coins I choose to collect will always be worth silver value. History has shown PMs always retain value. But I don't care... I like the nails also!
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