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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 06/05/2014  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Jimkendall

yea I have to say part of this is probably short covering, you can see right now we are almost at the upper end of the range.

I wouldnt be surprised gold tries for the 5/27 gap..... before being knocked down again.

This is going to be a long choppy time period for both gold and silver going forward, which still does NOT negate the strong downtrend the metals are caught in.
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 Posted 06/06/2014  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reading Kitco commentaries this morning I find the current market moves bizarre. Background to my comment: For years (since before 2007) I have read Gold worshipers saying buy gold because inflation is coming. As I watch the fed and others fighting the ravages of the GFC I see this gold nuts saying "look at how much money they are printing, We are going to turn into Germany/Austria circa 1920s. We better buy gold". However those gold bugs failed to understand that the printing was not even coming close to the amount of money that was lost during the GFC. That loss of money was accompanied by a huge reduction in the velocity of money. Europe has certainly suffered from the stagnant velocity of money, that we have now. So yesterday the ECB does something to counteract the depressive forces hoping to speed the velocity of money. One key feature is banks now have to pay to deposit funds with central banks, instead of getting interest. So in Europe Depression is the problem yet Gold bugs are buying. It just leads me to the impression that no matter what the situation is gold bugs will say buying gold is the cure. Theres another name for that isn't there: Snake oil salesmen
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 Posted 06/06/2014  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
However those gold bugs failed to understand that the printing was not even coming close to the amount of money that was lost during the GFC. That loss of money was accompanied by a huge reduction in the velocity of money.

We are quite well aware of the the amount of currency(money)being "lost" during this cycle.
Also completely agree with you on the subject of Velocity being of great importance. Which is seldom taken into account by some (Actually Most)

What-Happens-To-Gold-And-Silver-Next?-Look-Out-Below?

The "Gold Bug" term does not even remotely fit actually.

Gold and Silver have been used as money for roughly around 5 thousand years of Human History.
This version of unbacked paper currency has been in existence since August 15th 1971.

Truly glad to see the subject of Velocity being addressed
This is a great and informative thread.

P.S. Anyone catch how much Barclays got fined for Gold Market Manipulation?
Just Sayin
I don't want to get that subject going again.
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 Posted 06/06/2014  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... and here we go again...

as someone said yesterday, what we saw was a knee jerk reaction. Today, we find gold putting in a lower high and lower low, the first clue in gold losing its move from yesterday. Add to that the fact that there was zero follow through.

all today does really is set up gold and silver to short again.
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 Posted 06/07/2014  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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P.S. Anyone catch how much Barclays got fined for Gold Market Manipulation?
Means nothing, because price action sets the market.
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 Posted 06/07/2014  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Means nothing, because price action sets the market.


Taking your argument further Barclays bank and others shouldn't have been fined for manipulating the Libor rate. That rate effects the mortgages we pay. The london daily gold fix is a starting point for the markets. Even if you are half right what the bank a was doing was a form insider trading which would have seen some of their customers( usually the least able to afford it) loosing out!

Corruption always means something and to think it doesn't only encourages more corruption.

fistfulladirt are you a market trader?
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 Posted 06/07/2014  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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fistfulladirt are you a market trader?
Austro, I am not.
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 Posted 06/07/2014  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... and @Fistfulladirt is right...

No matter what is said or printed about supposed manipulation or even if there are settlements, it will never trump that powerful fact that price action sets the market.

gold and silver will rise when the market is ready to let them rise. Whether that happens now, later, is really up to the market, which will resolve this issue by the element of time.

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 Posted 06/09/2014  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is what is key for this week-

can gold and silver build on the gains from 6/5/14.... if it can't, well then we can conclude that nothing can boost silver and good for now.

I cant help to think we continue in this boring sideways range again, consolidating before another move lower.
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 Posted 06/12/2014  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, its managed to recoup its gains and losses from the ECB day and has continued to move higher. However, today is going into the upper end of the range from where it broke down...

can it hold it and move over that area or is this the wall where it stops?

We'll have to watch and see but I think its clear that gold and silver are locked in this range bound trade that will be around for a while. The sellers dont have the resolve to drive this much lower for now, the buyers have managed to buy at key areas but for how much longer will they buy?

My thought- gold and silver are dead money for the time being... based solely on price action.
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 Posted 06/13/2014  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think silver has bottomed out. I'm now bullish on silver for the long haul.
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 Posted 06/13/2014  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like my silver coins but they have got to be a collectable for me to get interested. As this thread says silver is going nowhere for quite some time.

This week I purchased another collectable at 30% face and will sell it at 200% + of face value.

Which investment item would you buy?
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 Posted 06/14/2014  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But because of buys elsewhere I have missed.....

Perth Mint Bullion 1oz silver x 25 buy of the "Saltwater Crocodile."

Other mint around the world may still have them!
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 Posted 06/14/2014  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think silver has bottomed out. I'm now bullish on silver for the long haul.



Could be, but it could drop to $10 an oz or lower as well, I am not against buying some silver right now but I wouldn't spend too much on it unless you are buying as a collection vers investment. Right now I add to my stack only things that I like, not because its the cheapest but because they appeal to me with possible potential to increase in value but at the very least hold their value such as some semi numismatic bullion coins etc , straight up cheap silver will always be stuck to the spot price up and down.
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 Posted 06/14/2014  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think gold is going to have a hard time breaching $1280, similar to how
it was a tough breach going down.

prices may not have bottomed quite yet.

HH
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