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 Posted 07/02/2014  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Incentive to make you better returns is so they will keep your business and then when you share about how great a job your investment advisor has done, it will drum up more business. Happy clients increase your reputation, and therefore your business. Not all financial advisors are bad, some just want to churn commissions and take money from you and don't care. Others, like my father, strive to help his clients plan for retirement and their children's college costs, etc.


Your absolutely right and its wrong to generalize but easy to do. Same goes for auto mechanics, I have worked with guys who would go out of their way to try and help the customer, that's just the way they are, but I have also worked with guys that could careless and their work habits showed it. These guys I would never have working on my car. But its that way in most areas of life sadly.
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 Posted 07/02/2014  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, you are confused
There is difference between value and price, yet you use the terms Interchangeably, as tho they are the same thing
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 Posted 07/02/2014  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No Piffin you are confused.

I am always referring and talking about price action. I dont care about value, means nothing to me. As a trader, all I see and care about is price action.... price, price, price and price.

Now, if you want to talk value, well who knows what that is. And by what and by whose metrics? ... and more importantly, who cares about value?

So for the record, I am talking about price, and always will be. Nothing else matters to me and for the record, price is what is used to value the current value of silver and gold, not what your opinion of silver and gold.
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07/02/2014 8:03 pm
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 Posted 07/02/2014  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am always referring and talking about price action. I dont care about value, means nothing to me. As a trader, all I see and care about is price action.... price, price, price and price.

Now, if you want to talk value, well who knows what that is. And by what and by whose metrics? ... and more importantly, who cares about value?


There are a lot of us that buy and hold stocks based on value added dividends. Not every investor is AS concerned with options, calls, and bid/ask price over a few months in general. However, with PMs, you are absolutely correct that price action is the only constant indicator we have. The value can only be assessed in hindsight.

I still assert that PMs or any other commodity are a better investment than lottery tickets.
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 Posted 07/03/2014  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Traders do price and short term action.
Investors do value and long term action.
Takes all kinds to make the world go round
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 Posted 07/03/2014  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldnt say traders are short term all the time. IT depends on what kind of trader we are talking- intraday, swing, and trend following.

As an example, I am a trend following trader. That means I can follow a trend over days, months, years. A perfect example of a powerful uptrend was in gold years ago.

I bought the GLD ETF three times. I first started a line back in 2004 at 44.88. I then added to that line I then added two other times as the line showed me a profit in the 55 area and a last line at 72.

I sold out of that line last year in the 122's. I also was selling gold short as it started to go into its downtrend 3 years ago.

So a trader can sit tight and follow trends for years. It just depends on how powerful a trend is.


As far as value in the PMs, its very nebulous as best, because one point that AES stated, unlike stocks, there is no divy that is paid out by silver and gold... and in the metals, there are no "value" investors that come forward, unlike with stocks that are beaten down and beat up. Someone can at least have a formula for determining either a book value, or earnings ratio... something to "value" that stock even if its a estimate.

I dont think even miners themselves have a real idea of whats going for what.. hence why they have huge books where they hedge their production by futures contracts, and currency hedging.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ USD bashers:

Obviously, holding cash is silly. On the other hand, gold is trounced over most time periods by equities (or any kind of balanced portfolio). It is unfair to speak about how much value the US dollar has "lost" when the economy which uses said dollar has gained so much. Your complaint may be with cash, but why would you hold cash?!

Also: let me state what is probably a very unpopular theory of mine. I believe the so-called evil "fiat currency" many like to complain about actually saved our bacon. With exponential population increase and increasing difficulty mining PM, it is deflationary to stick to a gold/silver standard. (Did you know that the entire 19th century was net-deflation?! No wonder the economy had so many serious setbacks in later decades of the gold standard. Having no ability to reflate under a standardized currency must have really sucked!)

Finally: let's be fair. Inflation has been very tame over the past quarter century. I acknowledge that core inflation excludes some volatile goods, but even so I believe the USD -- even held in a low-yielding GIC -- has held its own pretty well. You must not realize how bad inflation was through the '70s and early '80s, or how out-of-control it sometimes gets in other parts of the world. This low-inflation cheap money regime is also much fairer to new generations: loans to buy a house, attend college, or start a business used to be behind a barrier few but the already well-off could overcome.

PS: I agree with most of what yup says, but I disagree that USD will be king forever. It's time will certainly come, but it is here to stay for at least our lifetimes. We are lucky to have this currency backed by a stable government and mature economy, even if such government and economy have let us down lately.
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07/07/2014 6:04 pm
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update coming, sorry for the delay friends.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Currencies come and go , gold and silver have been around along as humans have been able to mine it, nuff said.

Knowing when they come and go is another matter...

As far as the USD goes ..well you have a 3 trillion trade deficit to China ( and getting larger all the time) plus something like a 16 trillion deficit or more, you have shipped appox 6000 of your industries to China which have cost millions of direct and indirect job losses , billions if not trillions of wasted dollars on useless wars just in the last 20 years or so, I could go on but you see what I am getting at.

I hope your right about the USD but honestly how can you defend that?

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07/08/2014 1:01 pm
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Inflation is a lot higher than is officially reported. Taking Energy, Food, and housing out of the equation is beyond belief. What do most people spend their money on? Energy, Food, and housing. The Inflation Index was officially tied to a basket of goods that consisted mostly of FOOD. When food started to rise dramatically they took it out as a metric. Real inflation is probably closer to Ten percent. IF not more.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
inflation vs deflation.
relative to what?
US citizens experience inflation re food and energy costs.
BUT RELATIVE TO THE GLOBAL CURRENCY WARS RE YUAN, ETC, THE FED IS CONCERNED ABOUT DEFLATION.
The Chinese are using their dollar reserves to buy Gold.
Give a thought to that fact
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 Posted 07/08/2014  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So how much debt per person does the US have in the red.

Australia it is $23,000 per person.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Outstanding Public Debt as of 09 Jul 2014 at 02:00:25 AM GMT is:
$ 1 7 , 5 9 1 , 5 1 2 , 1 4 3 , 7 8 6 . 0 2

The estimated population of the United States is 318,576,289
so each citizen's share of this debt is $55,219.15.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.36 billion per day since September 30, 2012!


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Thats just the National Debt , then you factor in CC, mortgage, student loans etc.




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'U.S. Per Person Debt Now 35 Percent Higher than that of Greece'



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"According to estimates from the International Monetary Fund, America's total government debt will be $16.8 trillion by the end of the calendar year, compared to $441 billion for Greece," the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee explains. "On a per person basis, that means U.S. debt is $53,400 for every man, woman, and child, compared to $39,400 for every man, woman, and child in Greece. The disparity between per capita debt in the U.S. and Greece has grown 40 percent (roughly $8,400) since 2011. Now, U.S. per person debt is 35 percent higher than that of Greece, and is also higher than per capita debt in Portugal, Italy, or Spain (which together with Greece make up the so-called PIGS countries)."



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs..._660409.html

Here is Canada.



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The Current Outstanding Public Debt of Canada is approximately:


$619,674,167,665.25 CDN

Last Updated: June 19th, 2014


Every man, woman and child in Canada (Canada currently has a population of around 34.48 million people) currently owes $17,970.56 for their share of Canada's public debt



http://www.davemanuel.com/canada-debt-clock.php




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07/08/2014 10:21 pm
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 Posted 07/10/2014  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
heads up, gold and silver with break outs today... gapping up out of their ranges
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heads up, gold and silver with break outs today... gapping up out of their ranges


I see that . So what does that mean oh knowledgeable one?
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