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1964 Peace Dollars?

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 Posted 06/14/2005  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kyra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd love the government to say that anyone who has a 64 Peace dollar could come forward and not risk getting into trouble. You know they're out there, I think we'd be surprised at how many would surface if they were made legal to own. *checks stash in mattress, sigh of relief* I think we'd be talking 7 figures if one ever legally came on the market!

Rachel [:p]

P.S. Hey Old Dan- love the signature line! Reminded me of my ex-brother-in-law when he was a teenager. That kid would eat anything!
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 Posted 06/14/2005  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Lee
IF one ever did come forward and IF it became legal to sell, any quesses on how much it would go for? More than the 1933 $20 Double Eagle?


No way. It would certainly bring great money, but would not have a prayer of breaking 7 million. I would put a conservative value of $1.5 to 2 million.
What will break the record will be the 1794 Dollar currently owned by Rare Coin Wholesalers. This coin is believed to be the first silver dollar ever struck. It could see double digits easily. 10 to 12 million. Of course, they are getting tons of exposure from this coin, so I don't expect to see it on the market anytime soon.
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 Posted 06/15/2005  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Twentycent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, from what national dealer said, it looks pretty probable a few do exisit. Any idea what excuses were given by those not returning them?
I don't think I lost it or accidently spent it would be very convincing. Or course that's what would probably happen to me for real.
The best would be if you went to Las Vegas between the time you bought it and they told you they wanted it back. You could say you took it with you as a good luck piece and put it in a slot machine on purpose.

The biggest bummer of all this though would be if someone got caught with it and the government took it away and melted it!!! That'd probably even P.O. people that hadn't even heard of it until it broke the news.


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 Posted 06/15/2005  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From my memory of the incident here's what happend. The government was short on Silver Dollars and the Gaming industry was yelling for coins to operate with.

The bill for the 1964 Peace dollar was introduced so that production could begin again. There was an argument within the walls of government whether a law was really required to strike the new 1964 Dollar coins. One side said that it was just a continuation of the Peace dollar series while the other side argued that since we hadn't produced the coin in such a long time we needed a new law.

While the battle waged the mint began producing the dies and having the planchets made. When all was ready they wanted to test everything. Figuring approval was locked in they ran a bunch of the new dollars and offered two to each person working at the mint. The employees had to pay $2.00 to get them.

Little did the general public know there were several laws waiting approval before congress that would change our coinage system. The 1964 Peace dollar, The new Gaming Token Bill, What would become the 1965 Coinage Act that would removal all silver from coins.The lower denominations first. The half dollar silver content would be reduced to 40% the all silver would be removed by 1971. (this is what caused the half to stop circulating).

Congress knew that they wanted to go off the silver standard. When the heard about the dollar coins being minted and handed out the Secretary of the Treasury ordered all the coins to be returned. A few of the people claimed they had sent them to friends overseas. When the counting was complete there were 4 coins missing. The new dollar was killed.

In order to appease the gaming industry and fill their need for coins Congress authorized a new gaming token bill that would allow the casinos to produce their own $1.00 tokens with some harsh restrictions. First they could not be used for ANYTHING except the gaming tables and slot machines. You couldn't spend them in restaurants, gift shops nor any other merchants. The casinos were very happy with this since the cost of production, at the time, was about .18 cents each. The casino collected $1.00 for each token that left as a souvenir.

Now congress was in place where they could remove the silver and begin producing the copper-clad coins. Worried about a possible coin shortage the mint produced 1964 dated coins for about one and a half years (which had never happend before) and removed the mint marks from all coins in 1965,1966 and 1967.

Are the four 1964 silver dollars legal? Possible. If it can be proved that the mint legally released the coins to ther employees then the private ownership would be valid. If the release of the coins was proved to be illegal then the coins remain the property of the U.S. Government.

This brings us all the way back to the original question. Was the 1964 Silver Dollar just a continuation of the Peace dollar series or was a new law needed before it could be issued.

In 1971 The last of the silver left our coins. The government wanted to eliminate the right of the casinos to produce their own tokens. They authorized the production of the first copper-clad dollar. The Eisenhower dollar. By this time the casinos were making a fortune off the tokens and people were use to carrying nothing large than a quarter in their pocket. The new Dollar failed. The casinos, through their lobbists and congressmen block the removal of the 1964 token law.

catman
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 Posted 06/15/2005  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Catman, thanks for the great history lesson behind this coin. You have an awesome memory! Mike
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 Posted 06/15/2005  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Twentycent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man what a deal! And a rarity for a couple different reasons. Where there ever any plans to make some proof ones?



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 Posted 06/15/2005  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jerry,

At the stage they reach the answer is no. However if congress approved the production the dollar would have been in both the mint sets and the proof sets in 1964.

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 Posted 08/22/2005  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robocp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the strangest thing,
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