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5 Cent Mule In 1967 Specimen Set With $20

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A friend (dealer) showed me a 1967 nickel he said was a mule from a 1967 specimen set with the $20.
I looked at it for a while and said it was a mint state coin.
One side (reverse) had partial lines and the other side (obverse) was definitely MS.
It was removed from the rest of the set in witch he did not have with him.
I have never seen a 1967 specimen set nor have no reason to not believe him.
Could someone shed some light?
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There are no mules from the specimen set of 1967.
Die rotation maybe, upset die possibly but no mule.
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The topic yesterday at the Coin club was on finishes.
The 1967 specimen finish is Brilliant on Brilliant.
The nickel in question(from the set illustrated) thank you,
was indeed Mint State,(satin background).Or circulation finish.
I am wondering if the dies were wore out or if they got improperly paired?
Is the finish on the set Brilliant on Brilliant?
I know a marker coin,First strike, is close to Proof-Like but still is Mint state.
It just kind of puzzels me.
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Is it possible to get a picture of it?
I would love to see what you were talking about.
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It is in another town right now.
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If it was different than the other coins, were both of the sides the same or just one? Otherwise it might have been taken from a BU roll or something.
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I will ask him for another specimen set for compairason purposes.I do not have a specimen set before 1967.I won't see him for another month.
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I talked to him again. I saw the coin for 3-5 minutes.
Naked eye observation,normal strike maybe MS 63 max.
Closer naked eye observation, thin film or haze typical to silver sulfide film.
10x loop reverse, highly reflective field, no bottom or blast white.
10x loop obverse,top reflection, black bottom, typical of mint state.
He is sending it to ICCS to get it graded, but feels that he will miss the mule attribution.
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I wish him luck!
If he does get the attribution then that nickel will be worth a whole bunch of money!
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If it was the reverse, it could be environmental toning, since the specimen coins were not encapsulated...
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What you are describing is not a "mule" attribution...

The finish on contact side of coins in these sets often becomes damaged by becoming discoloured or dulled from interaction with chemicals in the black felt on the box...

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I wish him luck.
I saw no damage other than normal dings and small scratches. It was my assumption that a specimen die was paired with a circulation die by mistake.
He tended to agree. Time will tell.
It is going to be hard to search for another one because I could not tell without a loop.
I will let everyone know the outcome.
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The dealer's hope is the coin be similar to the 10c specimen mule of 2010.

I have a good number of dual finish coins, they are not mules but are not "classified" as error or variety either - just a curiositym that currently does not deserves a premium.

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