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My Review At RCM For Purple Coneflower With Venetian Glass

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 Posted 03/30/2013  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He started the first day of MC release, at first it was $220 I beleive.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sergio Sriblo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if the Mint can increase the mintage of the coins, it can eliminate the dealers & the flippers. And the collectors can get the coin for the issue price. And you don't have to work as hard, to get coins at issue price.
And everybody will be happy, happy, happy.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be sad. If the mint issued unlimited coins with the variety and quantity they issue now I would switch to trading bullion. Lets face it, these coins are only worth the metal they are made from. Over time as people loose interest in old coins they will trade at their metal price. I would have to be an idiot to pay the current 3x to 5x bullion price of coins and loose that money for the love of collecting. You have to remember only a few coins released this year are going to do what the butterfly did. Be careful not to destroy a good thing because you want something you cant have. Greed works both ways; Greed for money and coveting items you can not have.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unlimited Mintage = Zero Collectible Value
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sergio Sriblo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nobody is saying that the mint should increase the mintage to unlimited, like they do for the bullion coins.
Mint increased the mintage of Venetian Glass coins from 5000 in 2011, to 10000 in 2012. If they did that, why can't they increase the mintage to 15000 in 2013. Instead, they increase the price of the coin.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope the mintage goes down.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And then for the 4th coin just bump it again to 20000 is that what your saying. That will sure make the ladybug at $1000 a bargain
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sergio Sriblo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably not. I wasn't thinking about 2014.
But I do understand your point, the lower the mintage, the higher the price.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Koin Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint is committed to the preservation of the After market...everyone wants to see there collection increase in value...and the only way to do that is to produce less than the demand...I get excited when I go on ebay and see coins I have bought demanding much higher prices than I payed...makes me want to continue spending my hard earned money on even more coins...I have never sold a coin yet...but when I'm older and on fixed income...who knows..I don't just want to break even...
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 Posted 03/31/2013  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dr Butcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like what I like and buy accordingly. I don't think the 25 cent versions of the Venetian glass series will ever be worth more than their issue price, I bought 'em all though.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Sorry to tell you, but dealers also use ebay. Maybe we shouldn't share that kind of info here, I thought we were helping people know what the hot coins are.



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Colonial and other dealers get 15% discount + whatever the market will bear.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be happy, if the coins I have now were to break even when I'm in retirement . I doubt that will happen unless the price of silver hits, $75 an ounce. Seventy percent of my collection is old Pre 1967 and older Nclt coins that I treasure. I do have 6 oh 2012 issues, that were priced below issue. I also love my colored wildlife bullion, even if they are not RCM official Issue. Like many people, I collect what I can afford and like. Sure I hope it maintains value, but I realize it depends on the price of silver, if it's a raw coin. I guess an excellent topic, is what are our expectation as a collector. After reading for a few days, I get the picture it would be a wide variety of valid reasons.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deal_with_singh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Interesting perspective. If everyone felt that way, there would have been no NCLT coin collecting before 2004


And I suppose thats why there has been a major increase in coin collecting in recent years


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The finish for one. Bullion mintage is in 100,000's


Well, I purchased Titanic Privy Maple Leafs last year. Only 25k Mintage, and bought for $44 a piece, graded from PCGS. Reverse Proof, frosted finish.

Now, would I rather pay $44 for a 1oz of silver frosted reverse proof maple leaf with a historic privy representing the 100 year old titanic, or would I pay $35 for a cupronickel coin with a coloured bird on it, given that the bird coin has almost the same mintage/rarity?

The mintage is only 25k, and it has a bullion element to it, plus a reverse proof finish, so I'll ask again. With an unlimited/increase mintage, what makes this different from bullion?




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I think people collect because they like coins. That's why it's classified as a hobby.


Typical human mentality is to want something you can't have. IF everyone can have it, you don't want it, and therefore the hobby is dead.

And that was my point with the post, my intention wasn't to say I wouldn't buy a coin that I thought looked nice but had a high mintage, I just wouldn't pay for it.

That's like going back to the coloured quarters. Heck I'll collect those all day long, and do/have been for years (poppy, breast cancer, vancouver olympics, etc.), but you don't see me paying a 10 time premium from what they're worth?

And even those still have an element of rarity to them. Not everyone has em.




Now to further my rant...have a look at the dictionary definition of collectable
http://financial-dictionary.thefree...Collectables

collectible
An asset of limited supply that is sought for a variety of reasons including, it is hoped, an increase in value. Stamps, antiques, coins, and works of art are among the many things usually classified as collectibles. Collectibles are often regarded by investors as hedges against inflation, since their value tends to appreciate most when general prices are rising. The collectibles market represents a very tricky investment for inexperienced investors.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add taro-chan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why collect something if it holds no value? I agree with Singh about the last part but disagree as I would never associate collecting as a hedge against inflation.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why collect something if it holds no value? I agree with Singh about the last part but disagree as I would never associate collecting as a hedge against inflation.


"Because they enjoy it" That is the mantra given by several people over and over again on this forum. Why can't you enjoy a hobby and make some money at the same time. What is wrong with that; it is not like you are going to get rich doing it.
They should attack the banks and big corporations instead of some poor old coin collector.
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