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A Cautionary Tale Of Loss

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 Posted 05/16/2007  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My feeling is that it's always good to give someone a way out. Maybe, if he took it, he regrets taking it & doesn't know what to do to give it back. Present him the opportunity.

I know of cases where the person intentionally took something with sincere, good intentions," to "teach their friend a lesson" not to be careless, & then didn't know how to give the item back without the other person suspecting them of stealing.

It's always good to give the person a chance to come clean & save face. They can deal with their own conscience & maybe you'll get your coin back.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morganator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a "friend" like this one. I learned to never do any business dealings with him since he was always trying to get the better of me. He was into doing some jewelry work, so my wife and I gave him a synthetic Alexandrite in a setting. We wanted him to modify it into a pendant. When he got it back to us, the stone was chipped on the bottom at the point. I knew that when I gave it to him it was not chipped. He swore it was. What could I do? It was my word against his. He is still a friend, but I have some bad feeligs about that stone to this day. Luckily he has moved away, so I don't hang with him anymore. It's a difficult situation because other than instances where I actually gave him the opportunity to take advantage of me, he was a really nice guy. We all live and learn along the way. Some people just can't resist temptation. Those that get caught are in jail for the most part, others are pushing their luck and will find theirselves there sooner or later.
I wouldn't let it lie. I'd file a stolen property report, talk to a detective about my suspicions and my proof and let it go where the detective would choose to take it. Perhaps they can get a search warrant for the guys house. If he stole from me, he would not be my friend, but it sounds like you are like me in that you want to keep this guy as a friend even though he walked away with your property.
Just a thought. You did "x" hours of free work for this guy and paid him for the "pleasure" of being able to have "his" coin for a while.
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05/16/2007 02:34 am
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 Posted 05/16/2007  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, Okie. I'm pretty sure everyone has experienced getting screwed by someone they thought to be their friend. Just don't let it make you jaded because there is such a thing as a real friend. Sometimes we just learn who is real and who is not the hard way.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
I appreciate all of you wanting a solution to this, but there just isn't any.


Okay, go reread Metalman's suggestion. That is NOT accusing him of anything. You'd just be informing him of the loss and giving your "friend" a heads-up that he might be contacted during the course of the police investigation. If he didn't take it, he'd have no problem with that. If he did, maybe you get your coin back.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AS I have already stated, I am not going to launch the police. One, because I don't want anyone investigated, and two because I don't know about your community, but my police force wouldn't touch this beyond taking a report. Not to mention that he lives in another state and he sure wouldn't be extradicted. Please no more well meaning advice!
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 Posted 05/16/2007  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mysty1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would shoot off an email such as:

"By the way _____, when you are finished goggling over my 1817 Large Cent, a quick return would be appreciated as I have recently acquired a nice album for my collection - and it's space is feeling quite empty! Thanks, _____"
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 Posted 05/16/2007  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Okie-colin
I noticed Ira Meltzer has an 1817 AU N-16 listed in his ad in the May 21 Coin World. I met him last weekend at a coin show in Auburn Mass. He said he travels a lot and so he might be going to the Nashua, NH show this weekend. If you are interested, I could check it out for you.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you know what he is asking?
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 Posted 05/16/2007  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Coin World ad says 1300. Which seems like a lot to me, but I have not seen the coin. He did have some large cents with him, but since I was not looking for large cents last weekend, they were invisible to me. However, he did have some exceptionally nice and conservatively graded bust quarters and he was willing to negotiate some. I have been thinking of calling him today to see if he will be in Nashua, because I hesitated last weekend and after looking around I decided that I want to get a 1825/4 bust quarter he has.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! That is out of my price range. I am looking for XF to VF for my Dansco 7070. Thanks anyway.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll keep an eye out for one.
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 Posted 05/16/2007  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to hear about your problem. There appears to be a rash of coin thefts by close friends/acquantices of late...

Keep think positive
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 Posted 05/16/2007  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gonefishin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The sad thing about this is that you will think twice about taking anyone into the vault to show your coins. It is unfortunate this happened but what good are coins if they are just locked up for noone to enjoy?
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 Posted 05/16/2007  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually Meltzer has an 1817 AU N-16 (Newcomb-16) which is a 15 star obverse, see for example
http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cent...cent_n16.htm
You're looking for 13 stars, right? I will look at the show in Nashua on Sunday. Is the Newcomb number important? Here is a listing of the Newcomb varieties (with some *stale* auction results):
http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cent...arieties.htm
What sort of price is acceptable?
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 Posted 05/16/2007  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For one thing I have accounts in several banks and none of them have cameras in the private rooms for safe deposit box dealings. They are everywhere but not in those rooms where you inspect your personal items in the boxes. This would be an infringement of your privacy. As to the missing coin. I suggest you forget it and forget the person you showed it to. You can not prove he took the coin and the loss should be a very expensive lesson about showing off valuable items to anyone, including relative, neighbors, friends, coworkers, etc. Letting people know what you have in the way of coins regardless of their honesty is dangerous. People just can not keep their mouths shut and worse yet they can not get the story straight anyway. If you show someone a coin worth $100 by the time they've retold that to many, many people you would now have a $100,000 coin.
Each person adds more on to stories to make them sound better and the next thing is someone is breaking into your house for the million dollar coin. Consider the loss of such people a gift.
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