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i didn't know who she was either...hint maybe?
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The thing in her right hand is a staff, not a spear, and I already mentioned what the object in her other hand is. With that info you will find this Personification using the link I posted...
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No, Libertas holds a pileus (cap), not Palladium. I bet you just mis-typed the name... And I made a mistake in the above post, it's a sceptre in her other hand, not a staff.  Edited by ThisIsFun
07/15/2013 7:07 pm
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I am going to have to say Vesta but I don't know off hand.
Edited by Ancientnoob
07/16/2013 12:10 pm
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Not Vesta.
This personfication can be found through the link I posted earlier in this thread. This personification was primarily used on Commodus coins; a few can be found on Geta and Severus Alexander and just a few other reverses.
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I don't think its there judging by the helmet, and the drapery hanging from the arms,the helmet and the stance, it has got to be Athena/ Minerva, I truly believe other interpretations are in error. On literally all coins across the Greco- Roman world, the Pallas (protector of the city) an incarnation of Athena, is shown with the sceptre, this helmet, this stance and the this drapery hanging from the elbows. As well as a various statues, or small deities being presented. I also did not find a match on the that link, sorry.
This might be out of my league. The only incarnation I have ever seen this similar to Athena is Roma.
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Hmm, this one seems to be causing problems. I'm going to go ahead and post the coin and the references. Chrsmat, Anoob, Ski-- will one of you post the next one? The personification is supposedly Nobilitas. Here's the coin  and the info link, from wildwinds: http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/comm...RIC_0139.txtQuote:
Commodus, 177-192 CE, AR denarius,
M COMM ANT P FEL AVG BRIT, laureate bust right
NOBILIT AVG P M TR P XII IMP VIII COS V P P, Nobilitas
standing front, head left, right hand on head, holding
sceptre and statuette.
RIC 139; RSC 382.
Scarce
Courtesy of TimeLine Originals (www.time-lines.co.uk), Okt, 2011 ...and the info I alluded to in prior posts (scroll to Nobilitas) http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...th/pers.html...and additional information about Nobilitas http://www.forumancientcoins.com/mo...bilitas.html |
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Ah, TIF I see where you are getting your info now!
I was not aware of this...Makes me wonder if the legend has anything to do with the god portrayed. I see some examples of this "goddess" with a globus, and no elbow draperies. It seems that the powers that be might be describing Minerva as Nobilitas when the legend fits. You can find examples of Athena holding and doing the same things. This is interesting in that regard. I know there are examples with that they say is Nobilitas but I don't believe they all are.
There is the same problem with Minerva/ Roma, where you cannot tell the difference except based on legend and even that is a modern interpretation. Who is to know that the god depicted has anything to do with the legend? You indeed might be right and the experts, I am sure will probably agree that legend will solidify the argument, but still I am not convinced. If one could not read, then how could you tell who was depicted?
Very interesting, I urge you to go again, and thanks for drumming up discussion.
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I think a lot of the gods/personifications were just political shenanigans. Like naming a certain piece of US Legislation 'The Patriot Act', or 'Accountable Care Act'. Give it a name no one can argue with, or otherwise hope that the name makes people believe what you want them to believe, lol.
Please, someone else go ahead and post one. I should get back to work :)
And yes, those two links are my first stops when playing GTG! Not everything/everyone is there, but it's very helpful.
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My reference also show this figure to be Nobilitas with the same reverse legend along with RIC it's listed as Calico #2292
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Good one TIF!
Was this the first GTG 'stump" ?
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First stump? NO, some eastern Gods got'em before.
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Thrown one up for us, Nate!
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