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What Kind Of Flaw Is This?

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Found this one in an OBW. The photos don't really show the 3D depth/height of the flaw. With a 16x loupe I can see that the "spot" is not really a spot but a chunk of metal that has been punched onto the coin. I estimate it is as thick as the image created by the die strike. Opinions as to what this is or is called? Coin also has a nice die break...cracked skull.



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 Posted 09/16/2013  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add albertharris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Must be wanting to use as jewelry. Gemstones have flaws. Usually cleavage or fractures in the mineral.
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 Posted 09/16/2013  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It shows signs of heat damage.
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It shows signs of heat damage.

This was my first thought with the burn/heat marks from a drill?
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It's an interesting mystery, for sure. Of course, I'm looking at the actual coin and you folks are looking at photos, so it's hard to tell. While I'm no pro, I'm at least sure it's not drilling. Because it sticks up, not indented. I've attached a crude drawing of what the "bump" looks like from the side. It is very cylindrical and of uniform thickness. Since it came from a Brandt paper wrapped OBW and all other coins look original, I tend to rule out tampering after leaving the mint. I understand that if this "bump" would have been pressed on by the die, it would have taken the form of the Lincoln image, so it isn't that...although the bump is firmly "welded" to the coin.

I'll probably never know, but I might send it to PCGS just to see what they say.

Thanks to all for the input!

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You might be on to something with your "welded" idea, although "soldered" might be a closer call.
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I can't figure it out. Why would anyone solder a small chunk of metal to a cent? (If I found it in circulation, it would seem plausible.) And, even if they did, if someone actually re-wrapped all these in a Brandt roll, why or how could this particular coin get included? :-) Oh well. I guess I'll quit worrying about it and move on to looking for a 1969 S DDO. ( genuine) :-)
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Please don't wonder why people do the things they do to coins... It'll drive you crazy!
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It may have been a puncture mark through the plating. A pin hole size and the zinc underneath got air and the area raises as the zinc rots.

Or it may just be solder?

There is a nice die crack across the head.
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Looks like heat was involved by the discoloring around the area in question.
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Any chance that's a Rockwell test mark?
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Interesting thought. I guess a Rockwell test mark is supposed to leave a hole or pit in the coin. But the whole time I've been looking at this coin, my gut tells me it is something that was pressed on at the mint, but it didn't flatten out into the shape of the die image. The pressure of that process might explain the heat marks. But it would have to have been a piece of metal that was in the die, or a part of the die, and during striking it dislodged from the die and stayed stuck in the coin. At any rate, I'm going to submit it to one of the cert companies. It will be worth the money just to see what they say.

Thanks again to everyone for the comments.
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Good luck, let us know what they say.
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a Rockwell test mark is supposed to leave a hole or pit in the coin.



The photo on Mike Diamond's error-ref.com shows a coin that has a very similar glob on it.
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Mike Diamond's error-ref.com looks like a great, detailed resource. The chapter on "retained struck through" errors sounds similar to what might have happened with this coin. Thanks.
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