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Silver Roman Coin, Rare?

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Silver-Roman-Coin,-Rare?

Silver-Roman-Coin,-Rare?

Does anybody recognize this coin? How rare is it? Is it fake from the roman era?
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 Posted 09/18/2013  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If real, then yes, very very rare. Its supposed to be of the empress consort Magnia Urbica, wife of Carinus, who is the 140th rarest roman figure on a coin (very hard to get past 120, by 140 you're getting into the very very rare).

However, I reckon this one is fabricated. some hazy bits, looks cast and, most importantly, I'm unable to find an example of Pudicitia Avg. But a cool relic anyway, looks to have spent time in the gruond between its minting and now.
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This is a antoninianus of I believe Magnia Urbica. The coin is listed as rare but sadly because of it's condition badly worn and holed the value of the coin is greatly affected.
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yes I know its Magnia Urbica but I can't find what coin it is. According to websites she had no coin with PVDICITIA AVG on the reverse... I dug out this coin in small village in Poland and its original for sure (or fake from roman age). Is this so rare that there is no evidence in history? Or somebody made this coin as a fake using 2 random stamps? Please help! I'm also think about possible price. Magnitude of 100$, 1000$? Mike
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If you dug it in poland, its probably not modern, but we have had a member of this forum dig up a real looking coin fromt he ground and it turned out to be less than 5 years old when he dug it up. If you clean it up, it'll be easier to see the coin fully. Whack it in olive oil, brush it occasionally, could take a while but silver generally cleans up well.

Another thing whicvh would help is a view of the edge - fakes often have a seam.

Value? Even if its real, the hole and the state its in really dont give it far to go. I dont know how much interest you'd get - its not a common ruler in any grade and the coin is from a well known period, but I cant see it getting far past $100 with that beefy hole (badly placed hole, hit the name). But who knows, find the right guy and anythings possible.
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What region (województwa) in Poland did you find this?

We on CCF do tend to attract such posts.
We remember the one who posted that "gold Byzantine" fantasy coin, from Romania.

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Well the only reference I was able to find using the reverse legend of PVDICITA AVG with a similar reverse( not quite an exact match) was on a AV Aureus. This coin isn't gold and no silver coins were issued under her name even the one type denarius was bronze. Unless this is an unlisted one of a kind example, it's shaping up not to be a real coin.
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Interesting coin.

As far as I know there there are no regular silvered antoniniani or denari with this reverse.
Rome aureus are known but extremly rare.

However in my database I found a specimen it's a denarius if it's genuine I don't know.
This one might be also a denarius but with a total different style, the obverse bust doesn 't look like the regular Urbica busts, the head is larger.
The letters are large similar to casts.

Take a look at my pic, the 1th is the coin in my database, and the third one is a picture a took from RIC (aureus).

Maybe you should post this coin on Forum Ancients Coins, if you are lucky Sylviane Estiot will give her opninion she has access to more sources.

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 Posted 09/19/2013  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add april_86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Masis -> I found it in southern Swietokrzyskie voivodeship.

"We on CCF do tend to attract such posts" - what do you mean? what is CCF?

Thanks for help everybody, its very interesting... if she had no silver coins issued, what is it?!

I'm enclosing more photos

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CCF Coin Community Forum = where you have posted your query.

I am too new at this to give advice, but I think it is fascinating. I would like it in my collection as a "curiosity" piece. But I would not pay too much for it given what the others have said. I would like to see it again when it had been carefully cleaned.
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cast with a smoothed edge would be by guess...but I could be totally wrong.
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Ugh it looks like a cast fake of the gold coin...

The seam is on the field of the coin rather then the edge. See edge photo #1.
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