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I Think I Found My Best Setup For Iphonography

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Lastly, here is a slabbed 1879-S MS64PL slabbed Morgan dollar. I'm having serious problems eliminating the glare of the lights on the slab, despite the fact that all the lights are diffused. Also, none of the pictures accurately show the PL quality of the coin. Looking for suggestions on how to improve that.

The first one is on the lightest background:
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The second one is on the middle gray, reflective background
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The third one is on the darkest background:
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Here's a 4th one where I moved the lights around in an attempt to improve the looks of the coin. I'm not sure that I succeeded:
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Diffused lighting is fine but sometimes does not accentuate the 'all' of details of the coin.

I personally have better luck with a combination of what I personally label axial lighting and the diffused lighting. In other words, try removing only some (say 30%) of the ping pong balls thus leaving them uncovered.

Then, have these new lights shine upon the surface of the slab at an angle of 45 degrees upwards from the horizontal surface originating from both the east and west sides of the coin/slab.

I have successfully diminished glare using this setup. You can incrementally reduce diffused lighting by slightly increasing the amount of these uncovered lights.

Obviously, try to prevent these lights from entering directly into the lens opening of the camera.

Finally, having this type of lighting mixture will better highlight the undulations of a coin's surface and reduce the glare which may be one's objective depending upon the situation...
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I can definitely see proof like quality on all the images. The first and third images look the best to me. Larger photos would help. Ham
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okiepb - from the very beginning my setup has been intended for RAW coins only, and I have found from my own trials and experimentation that it doesn't work well with slabbed coins. Sure, I can create a "glamour" shot if I have an accompanying TrueView image, but otherwise, the coins always appear too dark because of the diffused lighting. Using direct light on a slab with this setup is impossible. I'll give you an example. The first picture is an unedited shot. The second image is a glamour shot, combining the TrueView image with my shot of the slab.
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I have tried doing close-up, raw-type shots of slabbed coins, but it just doesn't look the same because I can't have the lamps directly on the coin. The reflection of the lamp heads gets in the way. The Morgan dollar pics you posted look good, but I can't see much room for improvement, given the limitations of this setup. Again, this setup is best utilized for raw coins. That 1804 would photograph a LOT better if it was raw- same goes for the Morgan.
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Sure, I can create a "glamour" shot if I have an accompanying TrueView image


How is this "glamour" shot created using TrueView? What is TrueView?
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TrueView is an option from PCGS where they will take a professional picture of your coin and send it to you via email. It's another $10 in addition to all their other fees. You have to request it when you submit your coins for grading.
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How is this "glamour" shot created using TrueView? What is TrueView?


What okiepd said.

Here is the link to the TrueView image for the Ike I posted above:

http://images.PCGS.com/TrueView/83064571
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It's (True View) another $10 in addition to all their other fees. You have to request it when you submit your coins for grading.


Don't pay it unless you want to donate to PCGS' employee retirement fund pool.

This is exactly why it 'ALWAYS' pays to call any TPG before submitting anything in order to find out if anything has changed since the last time a submission was made.

I followed my golden rule above and found out that PCGS' 'True View' is now included at 'no additional cost' for ALL submitted coins.

I also found out during that same call YESTERDAY that PCGS is now running a special VARIETY ATTRIBUTION promotion lowering the customary $ 18 per coin down to only $ 12 per coin.

A customer service rep. named Joe told me that info.

For eight coins requiring 'True View' and 'Variety Attribution' that was a savings of ($ 18 - $ 12)8 + ($ 10 x 8) = $ 128.

Wow, for a 10 minute phone call that equates to making $ 768.00 per hour. The only inconvenience I had to encounter was scratching out my previous figures on my submission form. PCGS said that it was fine to scratch out my original figures without filling out another new submission form.

fyi,
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How is this "glamour" shot created using TrueView?


Ok, thanks. I understand TrueView. But, how do you create a "glamour shot" using that TrueView photo? Ham
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I followed my golden rule above and found out that PCGS' 'True View' is now included at 'no additional cost' for ALL submitted coins.


Can you link to that bit of info from their site? I just don't think that's true. I know the TrueView service is included if you elect for the secure gold shield holder, but it hasn't been included for regular slabs, unless, as you said, something has changed. I mean, they made Coin Facts available for free, so perhaps they are now including this. I need hard proof to believe it, though. I won't trust one PCGS phone operator.
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According to the PCGS website, TrueView™ Imaging Service is an additional $10 fee.

The cost of TrueView is a $10 flat rate per coin. To order, simply check the TrueView box on the PCGS Standard or Restoration submission form on the line of the coin you would like photographed.

Remember, TrueView Photography is included at no additional cost on all PCGS Gold Shield™ Submissions .
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Remember, TrueView Photography is included at no additional cost on all PCGS Gold Shield™ Submissions .


Yep. This. Although, mdpmedia, I wish it was included for every coin. Of course, they would just add the fee in their other costs somehow. I emailed the TrueView photography department just for clarification. LOVE me some TrueView images, especially for Morgans and Ikes!

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Ok, thanks. I understand TrueView. But, how do you create a "glamour shot" using that TrueView photo? Ham


I use Photoshop CS5 to edit these shots. PCGS creates a "transparent" background TrueView image as well, and I simply resize both the obverse and reverse images and then place them over the original coin image (location) in my slab shot. It's a very simple process.

PCGS hasn't always created transparent versions of their TrueView photos. I think it's something they started only within the last 5 years.
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Ok. I just received a response from Phil (I believe he is the photographer) at PCGS, and here is what he said:

Hi Bryant
This is not quite correct. TrueView images are a part of the Gold Shield service (formerly Secure) and all coins submitted at the express level and higher must use the Gold Shield service.
Hope this helps.
Thanks
Phil
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Thanks for the clarification Darth Morgan.
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