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What people need to take from this is that it would appear that PCGS can cancel a coin's cert's without consulting/advising the owner and that PCGS's quality control systems do fail. PCGS's Quality Control System Failed? Sa what else is new?   |
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I should have read the entire thread before asking "where is PCGS aware of it".
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Does anyone have any idea what PCGS has in their grading/ encapsulating process that could cause this type of damage? Is the coin sealed in the finger insert prior to being sealed in the case itself and is there is something in this process that subjects a coin to the possibility of contact with metal?
This thread has been a somewhat interesting read but I would like to know what the root cause of this damage is and what the corrective action is, if any.
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I have the feeling it was a "one in a million" drop in precisely the wrong location, where something sharp-cornered was close enough to the floor for the coin to have gained momentum when it impacted. As a result, I don't know if any institutional changes would help, save "Pay More Attention!"
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I'm having trouble believing a drop could cause such damage. That is a heavy gash.
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Yes, but given that the metal at the inner edge of the gash is turned upward, I have a hard time visualizing something being dropped onto it to cause such damage. And I certainly hope they don't move coins using machinery.  My guess is whatever happened was in the process of encapsulation and whatever junior employee was involved, panicked. I wonder if somebody put a slab into the sealing machine wrong and it destroyed the slab/damaged the coin? |
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My hypothesis with no specific reason is that they slabbed it, something wasn't right with the slab so they removed it to reslab it and the damage was done busting it out of the slab. I can't see the coin being dropped on anything that would cause this kind of damage IMO.
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That's quite plausible, jpbone. Hadn't thought of it.
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Ultrasonic assembly equipment consists of a metal horn and metal nest that require a certain amount of pressure to transfer the energy across the plastic case halves. Although very unlikely, this process could case damage as you suggest. I'm wondering what is involved with the process that places the coin into the finger insert. It seems this would need to be a somewhat secure sub-assembly prior to the aforementioned final case assembly. This part of the process seems like it would be a higher risk of damage to me.
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I'm wondering what is involved with the process that places the coin into the finger insert. From their videos the coins put in there by hand then places in the slab which is sealed. My theory is that there was some unseen flaw with the coin right there no one saw and then it was just bad luck that one of the prongs happened to catch it in that spot. |
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From their videos the coins put in there by hand then places in the slab which is sealed.
I believe that its "finalized" before its sonically sealed. Some have suggested a planchet flaw which I am inclined to agree with since these are made from metal and are designed to get banged around. A drop onto a hard surface such as concrete "may" have left a small flat spot on the rim but generally speaking, coins are fairly tough to cause such damage simply from a drop. The damaged area would have to be closely examined to determine exactly what occurred. |
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I don't know how they package coins but my first impression is a twisting force against a holder that is too small for the coin. If you look closely at the images on the first post it appears to me that there's more damage concealed under the plastic and that the inner plastic is peeling away more metal that isn't obvious at first glance. It's hard to tell dimensions from the photo but it seems like the inner plastic is narrower at one end and wider towards the "middle", somebody realized what was happening and rotated the coin back the other way. Just my impression, I could be totally wrong.  |
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It's hard to tell dimensions from the photo but it seems like the inner plastic is narrower at one end and wider towards the "middle" It is. The top and bottom lip have a recessed shelf in the middle that keeps the coin snug on the rim part. I cracked a cheap slab I had to take some pictures of the ring inside.  Thats one of the three prongs that hold the coins. They arent particularly strong though. Its not as soft as rubber but you can bend it with one hand with minimal effort even on the thicker part where the prong is. I did this to it in about 2 seconds in 30 degree weather.  Edited by basebal21
11/25/2013 3:17 pm
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So the finger insert is one piece whereas the coin must be snapped into it?
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