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 Posted 11/21/2013  1:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coinage123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, I bought this one last night as I was really drawn to the reverse.(On first glances I could only describe the reverse as someone sitting down toasting a marshmallow...)
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Commodus?
(26mm at widest , 3mm ish 13.1 grams according to seller.)
I payed much more than what I wanted to so I wouldn't be surprised if I over payed a bit. I spent a bit of time late last night trying to ID it however I am a little stuck. The obverse shows a bearded man with a radiate crown with what looks like "COMM" to the left?
The "COMM" made me think Commodus so I browsed Wildwinds and the closest I could come up with is RIC 446 however its still not right:
Commodus?
Commodus AE Sestertius. 184-185 AD. M COMMODVS ANTON AVG PIVS BRIT, laureate head right / P M TR P X IMP VII COS III PP S-C, Fortuna seated left holding rudder & cornucopiae, wheel below seat, FOR RED in ex. Cohen 149.

At 26mm and 13grams I would think the coin is too small for it to be a Sestertius? Secondly its a radiate crown not laureate?
I did also have a look at similar looking Emperors, Marcus Aurelius, Septimus Severus, Lucius Verus etc however I still could not find a match.

Is this coin a tricky ID or have I gone completely off course? Is anyone able to guide me onto the correct tracks?
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 Posted 11/21/2013  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be a Lucius Verus dupondius.

Edited-- sorry, I didn't read carefully and now see that you've already check those.

Maybe someone with a reference book will help you out :)
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I think it might be a dupondius of commodus with the obverse M COMM ANT P FELIX AVG BRIT and the reverse
PM TR P XIII IMP VIII COS V PP that would make it 187-188AD
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I did just re-check Lucius Verus and the two closest I could find was RIC 1341 and 1348. They look similar however the reverse legend's are different.

RIC 1341:
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RIC 1348
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 Posted 11/21/2013  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dwayne, Can you find any pictures of one like that?
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http://www.ma-shops.com/smits/item....=305&lang=en I wouldn't go buy this price and it looks like I was off on the reverse legend.
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Unless my Copy of RIC is wrong I have it as RIC III, 516.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dwayne8625 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would go with what echizento said
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Thanks Echizento and Dwayne. So would the reverse legend date the coin to 185-186?
It cost me £18 including postage, was that a bit on the pricey side?(I don't mind if it was as I really like the reverse )
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Dates from 187-188.
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rugged but nice lookin' coin.
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FORT RED ie FORTVNA REDVX aka "Happy Days Are Here Again" !

No she's not toasting marshmallows ...... Lamb kabobs !
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Quote:
No she's not toasting marshmallows ...... Lamb kabobs !

Aah I thought it looked to large to be a marshmallow!

Would there be any chance someone could briefly explain the meaning of the reverse legend "PM TR P XI IMP VIII COS V PP" ?
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 Posted 11/23/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dwayne8625 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted a book on the sticky thread that has these and other abbreviation.
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 Posted 11/23/2013  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Legend reads
P M (Pontifex Maximus ie High Priest)
TR P XI (Tribune of the People 11th time ie the 'peoples representative' with the power of Veto in the Senate)
IMP VIII (acclaimed Imperator 8 times)
COS V (elected Consul 5 times)
P P (Patrius Pater ie "Father of his Country")

The S C which is standard on all bronze issues until the late 3rd century reads "Senatus Consulto"
ie By Order of the Senate
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Thanks Dwayne and FR
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