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 Posted 12/30/2013  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you think this dealer acted improperly, I would guess that you have never been self-employed.
He has bills to pay and a family to feed.
What is stopping the seller to do research on his/her own and get the coin professionally graded?
The seller opted to sell to the dealer.
Nothing was done wrong.
Ethics in business is a very fine line and we are not here to judge.


We understand of course that the dealer has to make a profit to pay his bills and to live but you can't grade a coin according to how many kids you have to feed, that's ridiculous. So, if I've 4 kids I'd grade AU-58, if I've 1 kid I'd grade it MS-62 and if I'm millionaire I grade it MS-70.

The dealer should make a profit ... let's say 20-40% but of the correct price. If he grades MS-62 and pay to me 70% of its value and then sell the coin as a MS-64 something is not working here ....

If I know nothing about coins (let's say I receive an inheritance)and I go to a dealer I expect to obtain a FAIR value for my coins. I agree that the dealer has to make a profit but $6,000 difference I don't think is a fair price IMHO.

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 Posted 01/05/2014  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the buyer feels the seller isn't the real owner then the police should maybe be notified, or try to sneak a picture of the item and compare with recently stolen items.

Supposing it's not stolen: seller should get it graded. I'm not saying the seller should be not punished for ignorance. But like with any item, you should get it appraised before you bring it to a buyer. The appraiser and the buyer should not be the same person as it creates a conflict of interest.

If, however, the buyer must put a price on it, they should grade it before checking the price in their book. It's not the buyer's fault it comes back at a higher grade than expected.
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Why (with all due respect) would anyone automatically expect a coin dealer to be ethical? Same for a car salesman, realtor, attorney, building contractor, etc., etc.
If you don't know the value of the thing you're buying or selling you run the risk of being over charged or under paid.
Coin dealers I have known will get the most they can for anything and everything. If they didn't they couldn't stay in business. Most if not all business operates this way. Life is tough. Business is tougher.
If you establish a positive relationship with a coin dealer (or car salesman, or realtor, etc. etc.) you'll be in a better position to expect ethical treatment but don't count on it.
Yes, yes, of course there are exceptions.
Sorry for the strident tone. Iv'e owned small businesses most of my life.
edited to add apology
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...Most if not all business operates this way. Life is tough. Business is tougher.
If you establish a positive relationship with a coin dealer (or car salesman, or realtor, etc. etc.) you'll be in a better position to expect ethical treatment but don't count on it.
Yes, yes, of course there are exceptions.
Sorry for the strident tone. Iv'e owned small businesses most of my life.
edited to add apology


No need to apologize noD, your points are well taken. This dealer did nothing wrong and actually paid the seller more (MS62 money from my understanding) than many others would have offered.
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