The Conder Token Thread

nice

Very nice!

Heads up! Looks Like a 70% Discount for Conder Collectors...

...and anyone else interested in or curious about the issues, issuers, and economic idiosyncrasies of 18th-century Britain that led to the widespread use and popularity of "the token-coinage."

A fellow exonumismaniac located in the UK sent me this tip earlier this week, but since I stopped collecting that century some 20 years ago I'll be passing on this bargain.

However, in case any other CCF members have been bitten by the Conder bug and want to add this to their library, it's marked down dramatically at Oxbow Books in Yorkshire. Good synopsis and review here, at The E-Sylum.

Coinage and Currency in Eighteenth-Century Britain. The Provincial Coinage by David Dykes, 2011, 383 pages, illustrated throughout with tokens, portraits, satirical cartoons, and other historical memorabilia, large format, red cloth, dust jacket.

This is a pair of uniface strikings or die trials of the obverse and reverse of a Middlesex 24 penny. That piece would be better classified as a tribute medal for David Alves Rebello, a Jewish numimatist of Hackney, but it is penny size. I bought each piece separately from a dealer who specializes in Judaica.

Dalton & Hamer lists a pair of tin trial pieces as Middlesex 23 but both of the obverse and reverse of the pieces shown below are a close match to Middlesex 24 rather than 23 (clouds were changed on the obverse and an M for Milton added to the reverse and more). They don't appear to be tin or copper nor are they obviously silver. The dealer actually included "nickel?" in his descriptions.



When I received the second piece, the marks and stains on the reverses suggested that they had once been glued together (a locket?) and later pried apart. Here's the reverses with one of them flipped.



I sent the obverse piece to NGC a few years ago and got
"Middlesex 23, obverse die trial, ineligible type".

I'd appreciate any input on this oddball.

Bob

Dalstonia - that's a real stunning token there! Lots of original red luster left.

Here is what numista has to say on this Middlesex token:




Thank you again for the book recommendation, the copy I ended up purchasing, just arrived the other day, it's a really nice work. Lots of photos most all are in color, and tons of history and information on them. A long read is in store on this one.

Didn't see this one posted yet.
Looks edible in hand.


This guy surrendered to George Washington at Yorktown VA to end The Revolutionary War.

1790's Pidcocks Exhibition Elephant - Two Headed Cow Farthing
(I think this is considered a Conder token?)

And thank you back, westcoin, for all the background on the Eaton's 1/2d. I didn't realize Numista provides that kind of in-depth info on Conders.

And TNG, your Pidcock's 1/4d is most assuredly a Conder, listed in D&H as Middlesex 1066. I'm not familiar enough with the type to grade it, but the 2010 Galata (Withers) Token Book values it at £25 in VF and £100 in EF.