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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Edited by Masis
04/02/2014 10:25 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1002 Posts |
Yes, no question the previous example Masis posted is the exact same fake. The fishhook ribbon on the back of his neck and the curls under the rev. seat are dead giveaways on this particular one, along with the spidery lettering. These are everywhere, and this seller has numerous other types that now look suspect to me. I've learned more about roman fakes and fourees in the last couple days than I could ever wish to know. I was literally counting fakes like sheep when I went down the other night. Chalk one up to a cheap education for me.. Was taken aback a little that someone would create a forgery this inexpensive. I am careful around 28p Peace dollars, but seriously.. (I do understand these represent a days' wages for some, way back when..) Obviously I still have much to learn. Do I give up? No way. -And I will keep this fake, put it in a properly labeled holder to show & remind myself few have my imagination.. Also looking into variations as FVRIVS RVFVS suggested.. ..On a brighter note I think I found another example:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
946 Posts |
I expect to see more "newbies" seemingly falling for the faux Grass backround of " ancient.necropolis.london", but it may help to notify members that " ancient.necropolis.london" is now listed in Forum Ancient Coins "NOTORIOUS FAKE SELLERS LIST" |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3446 Posts |
I really don't think you should keep it for $55. That is a good price to pay for the real deal on ebay but a bit excessive for a 'trinket' ! If it was a large medallion sized bronze with some redeeming qualities (IVDEA CAPTA) it might be nice to have. I would demand my money back from this crook (the evidence seems rather hard) and make him take it back. He is engaging in a fraud and should be in a courtroom 'splainin' his actions. Letting him keep the gains is only encouraging the "swine". |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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 Hang him!  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I agree, keeping it is only encouraging him. He needs to be reported, and then hung.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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That's pretty unanimous then! *psst - I knew PP would hang him  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1002 Posts |
Ok, Ok I get your point. Will try to return it. Quote:
I expect to see more "newbies" seemingly falling for the faux Grass backround of "ancient.necropolis.london", but it may help to notify members that "ancient.necropolis.london" is now listed in Forum Ancient Coins "NOTORIOUS FAKE SELLERS LIST"
While not new to US coins I am a newbie at ancients. Was not aware of this site so I doubt many "newbies" to ancients are either. This is a difficult situation with this seller as he has 837 100% positive feedback, but after checking identity he recently changed his ID JAN 2014. This is the original auction http://www.ebay.com/itm/141233111610 |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Not too difficult. You might feel a little awkward, steel yourself. You have plenty of evidence that there are other similar coins out there.
Just tell him that it has been brought to your attention that this is a known fake, give him the links to the other coins and tell him that you don't want it and want a refund. Don't accept any arguments from him. After you have got your money back, then report him.
We have to stand up for ourselves. A few months ago I got 6 coins, three of which were fake. As I had only paid £5 per coin I was not too bothered and used them to start my "black" collection. I did however go back to the seller and told him that they were fakes. He offered to refund but I was happy to keep them. I would not be happy to part with $55 for a fake coin when I had bought it in good faith.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1570 Posts |
When you get it in hand, send him a message and voice your concerns. I would push for a full refund including return postage. You have some great folks here with a superb knowledge on ancient coins and I don't think he will argue too much if you push the point.
Don't feel too bad, I have purchased a few iffy coins, as it turns out probably just done it today!
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
3626 Posts |
When you return it you will need to get the UK equivalent of "Tracked" and "signed for" otherwise he might just deny that you have returned it. It will knock a hole in your $55 but it is the principle. If he gets awkward, keep a copy of any messages and include them when you contact ebay. ebay are all for buyers, but on the other hand, they like the money that the sellers bring in. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1570 Posts |
I see he is sending it standard delivery.... boy I hope it doesn't get lost en-route.................................
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
3626 Posts |
Take a look at his details, on the one hand he says Buyer pays return postage, but under Returns Policy it also says: I allow full money back return within 14 days after purchase. The buyer must return the item and I will return his money back, including shipping. Find this page and take a screen shot. I found it at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141233111610You should press for return postage as well. You will come across sellers who may inadvertently have acquired a fake coin and they can be given the benefit of the doubt. He is not one of those sellers. I don't like the way that he advertises himself as dealing from good ole London but his address is in Lancaster. Trust me, that is one heck of a commute. Will be taking the dog to the vet in Lancaster in the next couple of weeks. I can stop off and give him a good talking to if you like :) (Not the dog!) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am not sure how the " ebay buyer protection" policy works as I have never needed it but perhaps you might contact them and explain the situation. The return postage for Registered Mail is about ten times what the melt value of this coin is worth. And melt is all it is worth ! Find out first if they will back you. They can be somewhat nonsensical ...... I myself received negative feedback from a "buyer" who never paid for an item ! I explained this to ebay who told me the "buyer" has this right. When I insisted a "buyer" is someone who "pays" money the conversation became an exercise in sophistry. I got nowhere really fast ! But seeing you are out actual money they may listen. Stranger things have happened ! |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I must admit, from the pictures only, I agreed that it was a fouree, not a modern fake.
To be sure, they should all be examined in hand, preferably with a 10x loupe.
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