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Question On Die Clashing For Moderns.

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 Posted 05/19/2014  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't have just a normal (yet awesome) clash without stirring the pot a little. I'm going to hop across the pond and show this coin as well but since it pertains to the overall theme of this one, I hope CCF doesn't mind if I go international for a second :-) This is a 1914 Half Penny that I am almost done with. Weird one but all this stuff is, in my opinion and I love it! I'll repost when done. Multi angle images (play off each other)

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 Posted 05/30/2014  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry it's not a Modern but same kind of deal going on. If this is anything, the fact that the technique has been going on for over 150 years is something I consider completely Awesome

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 Posted 05/30/2014  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1914 is a half penny from England.
Here is a one penny:
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I don't have an overlay of a half penny from that year.
The Half Dime is from the U.S.
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The images are not much help.
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 Posted 05/31/2014  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was from awhile back but I thought it was clear enough to see some interesting clashing going on. Could be wrong

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 Posted 08/30/2014  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has been a bit since I reported back to one of my favorite Numismatic far out there theories. Hope you have fun with this 1917 British Half Penny. You might ask why it is in the US forum but I hope you get an "Ohhhhh!" Moment.

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 Posted 08/30/2014  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks possibly like some ghosting going on.
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Conder! Long time no lessons in Numismatics! Glad you came to take a look at my growing coin circus LOL! I thought the same thing about the ghosting. I have become good at spotting these coins, which hardly ever happens, but I would very much like to figure out how and why it happens. My theory is plausible but most would say not very possible. I'd probably discuss such a thing off topic because hey I would like to think some people out there may still listen haha! The U.S type coins have been very hard for me to find with this ghosting but thanks to Britain I am still happy and hunting. If you're ever curious and I happen to post a rare quality pic, compare the design to what the dies are producing. Britain is pretty easy and doesn't seem to deviate too often. I'll post a fun 1919 British Penny today or tomorrow. I really need to start sending stuff off for study. Not enough hours in the day. Thanks for your response Conder!
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 Posted 08/30/2014  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coins101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you have a coin that is in really bad shape burned etc.... It will look like all kinds of weird stuff on it but its just our imagination getting a little wild. We all have them moments in hoping to find something new. All I can say is study http://www.maddieclashes.com it is a very educational site on die clashes, mad die clashes, and counter clashes.
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 Posted 08/30/2014  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins101 Yes I can hear what you are saying and I do have an imagination LOL! What I was trying say on top of the Ghosting was that there are physical design irregularities, Writing/Notes on some, The engravers initials, Large Numbers where they are not supposed to be, and other things that are sometimes hard for me to show. I'll try to give some examples later today or tomorrow to add on to the Ghosting. I am by no means an expert so I take no offense to anything anyone voices here. Honestly, I appreciate it. Oh I really like the maddieclashes website by the way! I know that not all of these pics may fall in the lines of clashing per se but hopefully it can entertain and perhaps educate. The coins of WWI and WWII I find to be bizarre at times...in a good way :-)
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 Posted 08/30/2014  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK so here is an example of what I am hoping to get across. Again, I am not trying to say what is fact or fiction I'm just providing some pictures. Look at this Amazing coin. All of it and you can make up your mind on what it is or isn't. Enjoy :-)

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 Posted 08/30/2014  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hflirn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to add, do you see any unusual writing? Perhaps a few places on jacket and under Bust? I believe it is a copper plated experimental cent. As far as I know, the only one I've heard of for 1944. Metallurgical testing will be done.
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 Posted 08/30/2014  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hflirn, sorry maybe just me, but finding it difficult to keep up with this post topic, which started with possible modern day die clashes ending now with experimental coin in question. Thus far I count 7-10 coins in between. I wish I could answer all, but if I had pertinent information for any in betwwen, I wouldn't know where to start.

I could be wrong, but the last coin in question shouldn't be plated or experimental that I'm aware. Not seeing any writing at this time. Just looks similar to a 1944 copper cent made from a spent WW2 brass shell casings. I'm a rookie still, so maybe wrong. Thanks, Doug.
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You have a point Halo but at the time when I started this topic I considered the idea of these coins being struck against another patterned object. Yes, it is not your typical clash where you would see the opposite field show through the other but to be honest I couldn't come up with a better error definition and thought that Clash enthusiasts would let it slide for either humor or intrigue. I thought I stated my intentions for this topic first thing. Anyhow, If you have any interest in experimentals for the WWII era you can find out that there are indeed quite a few different combinations of metals and even non metals for proposed coinage. I won't say you are wrong or right about this Lincoln Cent because I don't work for a Grading and Authentication Service. However, thanks to Roger Burdette who has detailed listings and information on some of these coins...as well as the Engravers notes of dates and the company issued to make this coin written on the Rim and Edge, I'm not going to sweat too much over it. Sorry if you found the topic deceptive.
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 Posted 08/30/2014  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hflirn, I apologize if I sounded like a critic. Had a long day and been trying to keep track of many things. Posts like this keep me thinking, sometimes to much.

I enjoy seeing and learning from all here. Thanks, Doug.
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No worries Doug I am equally guilty of having these moments. Ask practically anyone on this Forum lol! Feel free to ask any question and if I can't answer it, don't tell anyone and I'll help find someone who can haha! Have a nice beverage and enjoy your weekend.
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