Why Offer A Bo Option If You Aren't Willing To Haggle At All

You don't know this seller was insulted... this seller could be impressed and see you as an advasary with good haggling techniques...and countered aggressively hoping to step up the pace ... you can't make inferences on what the other thinks if they themselves don't tell you.




but he DOES want to negotiate... he replied to your offer... if anything it sounds like you didn't like his counter ... big deal it's his coin and he has the right to counter with what ever he wants...




I would say you have some great haggling skills.... so why is it that you're making such a huff when you come across a seller that haggles back? Do you feel entitled that EVERYONE should be giving YOU such a discount?




This seller is willing to negotiate... if they weren't they wouldn't have come back with a counter... what seems to irk you is that they didn't "come down" that much... it's a game my friend ... play it!




Acutally your whole thread here you've been complaining how this individual comes back with a price so close to their orginal BIN... that IS a haggling technique... you may not like it... but it is a technique... Now if they keep coming back to you with a price so close to the BIN.. then perhaps they don't haggle and this would be considered a waste of time.. but if this is only the first counter.. well then they're doing exactly what you are... working out the best price...




Exactly.. and the seller also knows this... one down... two more to go... so what are you going to do? Sit on here and complain how you don't like how a seller counters your offer... or try to find a middle ground and make a deal


I'll be honest the first time I read this thread it came across like you felt entitled to the coin to be purchased more on your terms... it still reads that way... I don't know what coin you're talking about so I have no opinion on whether your offer would be even considered insulting or not... but you made the point yourself if a seller was insulted by an offer they can easily ignor it...

So in essence the only "WASTE OF TIME" has been the amount of time I've spent reading this rant on how someone countered and you really didn't like their counter and making a reply.. Understand that somewhere there is a seller right now probably posting a thread on some other coin forum about how this buyer offered 1800 less than their original BIN price... sure when the price goes up there's a bit more wiggle room... point being a good negotiater will be able to find that happy medium for both buyer and seller.... and not feel entitled the other HAS to make $xx.xx type of an offer..

Hope you get the coin you speak of... if you don't... either the price was unreasonable or BOTH negotiators couldn't work out a deal... It's NEVER just a one sided situation in mediations.

First, I want to say this is one of the best discussions I've seen on CCF in a while on anything and there are certainly valid points being made on both sides...

Secondly, I sell a good bit on ebay, mostly buy it nows. There are two things that drive me nuts, one being truly absurd offers (like the aforementioned $1 on $130 coin), but the other is when someone will send me a best offer with a rude message saying how overpriced my coin is, or send me a message with the best offer with false information to try to get me to accept a lowball offer. For example, on a bulk lot of 09VDBs, I received a lowball offer that came out to $2 a coin. I countered back with only a small amount off of the original listing price, and the seller countered with an offer that came out to $2.15 a coin, along with a message stating that the going rate of 09VDBs is $2 a piece and he was being generous. That type of buyer drives me crazy since I'm sure they wouldn't try it unless it occasionally works.

At the end of the day, anyone who is a serious seller isn't just listing coins for the fun of it, they are listing because they are selling the items. Just because you are not willing to pay what the seller wants or is willing to accept does not mean the seller is 'wasting your time' or anyone else's. If someone really wants the coin, the person will pay what the seller wants.

Wow, what an amazing thread. People do business in different ways. I do business with people who fit my business strategy. If they don't fit, I just move down the road. Nobody is right or wrong.

I had a very interesting negotiation a few months ago. Made an offer on a coin and the buyer not only rejected my offer, but blocked me. I sent them a nice message and asked them why. They responded with their answer. My feelings were a little hurt, but too bad for me, it's their business. So my curiosity got the best of me and I went to my other ebay account and made another offer just a little higher. Amazingly they accepted and didn't even negotiate me up in price....go figure. The seller was a well established seller with many sales.

That was my whole point above, you really can't judge a seller until you have but in your second offer, if you come up a couple of 100, and he only comes down 100, then he really isn't going to move into the range that you would like, I am sure a lot of sellers don't move as much on the first offer, they too want to see how much the buyer is going to jump up..on their second offer..

The whole negotiation thing is over rated. If I'm selling I know just about what I can sell for. If I'm buying I know what I can afford(or am willing)to pay. Anyone that believes they are going to change those numbers by making 3 successively higher/lower offers is wasting MY time. Unless you are dealing with an uninformed buyer/seller and/or one that has a personal crisis that requires them to get cash quickly you absolutely will not be able to get them to come off their pre set number.

Finally, I have to agree with some of the other posters. The buyer in this instance made an offer that was unacceptable to the seller. The seller then decided to counter with a slightly reduced price.....which is a legitimate negotiating tactic generally intended to let the buyer know their offer isn't even in the ballpark. At that point it's up to the buyer to make another offer or move on.

With both of you. I leave wiggle room if I list a BO also.

That's part of my point, any reasonable seller who lists with a BO option should leave some REAL wiggle room or they are wasting other's time. Of course I didn't make a second offer - there is no negotiating/haggling with absurdly unrealistic sellers. Anyone whose first counter is 99% is beyond reason and professionalism. If they NEEDED 5650 or whatever they should just list it at that and then I would never have looked twice at the listing. Offering a BO and then not REALLY wanting to negotiate and not being willing to haggle in good faith is what is such a waste of time. It is playing games IMO which is silly with $100 coins let alone 4-figure ones.

I'm still waiting for OP to use his other two offers. Until that's been done, how can we complain the seller wasn't willing to make a substantial negotiation? A whole lot about nothing really. Maybe he has $5500 in it and wants to wait for several offers come in to feel out where he is for a week or two, then negotiate. Maybe a kangaroo escaped from a nearby zoo and distracted him from focusing on negotiating with you? Who knows? I say move on.