Just For Fun! How Would You Grade These Coins?

coinsaus, I sent 9 coins last week to APCGS and am happy with(or should I say, reconciled to?) 6 out of 9 results. However, I think they undergrade if anything and I was quite taken back by the other three outcomes, particularly for my 1939 florin, which I bought as EF but got back as VF. I'm going to continue to use them because, quite frankly, my study of PCGS and NGC graded Australian pennies, which I've been carrying out for some time (and which led me to start this thread), has yielded too many cases of where they've 'dropped the ball' to justify the time and expense of using them. Plus I am a bit of a nationalist of the old school, and I do like the idea of using an Australian company when the opportunity exists to do so.

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Not to mention the fact that they slabbed a altered date 23 halfpenny as genuine not so long ago.

Well, my 1949 penny hardly has any red at all, just a little subdued reddishness here and there. Basically, it's a glossy chocolate brown. But I can't see any surface hairlines - perhaps I need more than a magnifying glass to do so?

"Not to mention the fact that they slabbed a altered date 23 halfpenny as genuine not so long ago."

APCGS did?

If so, this might account for the current attitude of rigour. It's probably a necessary correction to the reputation for sloppiness that's been alluded to above.

My view, though, is that if people learn from their mistakes they should be forgiven for them. I'm convinced we do need an Australian company grading Australian coins, and I'm going to support the effort to build one.

Which coin ?

I totally agree with your sentiments but our best graders are also traders and dealers in Australia.
To be totally unbiased the graders have to have NO conflict of interest and the market is far too small in Aus for these people to just grade coins and not deal in them .

We have only a small pool of truly talented graders in Australia and I would think that they are quite comfortable in what they are doing now without risking many thousands of dollars and giving up their business/work to create our first "Genuine" Aussie grading service.
Maybe when they retire it could be achieved but not at the moment I think

"MS-63RB is a darn good grade for this coin and worth the grade, I think that converts to choice Unc. Beautiful coin to anyones collection."

I thought so too, so I bought it! It's as good 'in the hand' if not better than in the photos. When the light hits it from a certain angle it almost looks like a proof. I'd endorse the view of wwwww that it probably should be an MS64.

As for the other one, obviously this is going to be controversial, but surely no coin could look like that simply as a result of toning. I think environmental damage has to have been involved.

"our best graders are also traders and dealers in Australia.
To be totally unbiased the graders have to have NO conflict of interest and the market is far too small in Aus for these people to just grade coins and not deal in them."

Just because someone's not a trader themselves, it doesn't mean their friends and family members aren't. Heard of insider trading?

Care to expand?