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 Posted 07/21/2014  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johntookit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 07/22/2014  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I get sick of the stories I read here and elsewhere of people doing the opposite ( finding coins they know are worth hundreds in a $1 bin and BRAGGING about it ) - is that soooo different than just plain shoplifting really?


From a coin dealer? Absolutely NOT IMO. I use my knowledge over theirs to make money when dealing in coins.

Now if the coin was in a collectors or just someone selling off a collection, then I would most definitely point out the better coin and offer a fair price for it.

Cherrypicking a dealer just because they don't care to know their inventory is fair game. Me included. Heck I sold one of my first 1878-S long nock VAMs that turned out to be a discovery coin for a new VAM, I still feel I got a fair deal out of it though, the dealer, told me he thought it might be different, turned out he was correct it was. My loss, as I could've done the research myself when I owned it.

I've pulled 1878-P 8TF VAM 9's from a junk pail of silver dollars from a dealers shop on several occasions (shoplifting? Hardly). The dealer paid a fair market value for the coins and simply tossed them into the bin for a "You pick at $XX amount). If he wanted to take the time to check them for varieties, then he should have. I have also purchased a Morgan dollar set from a lady who's husband had passed away, I ended up giving her just a small amount over what a local coin shop had offered her, except on 3 of the dollars that turned out to be Top 100 VAM's that have a high interest, on those 3 coins I pointed out they were worth more and I paid her handsomely for them. I could've kept my mouth shut and she still would have sold me the coins for the same amount as the common ones. However that is just not the ethical thing to do. As a professional numismatist and Life Member of the ANA, I must maintain my own integrity and honesty when dealing with the public as well as other dealers.

To make money on a deal from a dealer that just doesn't care to know his own business then fair game, in the case of a real mistake like an 1889-CC in a junk bin, then I'd have to say something, but on varieties or specialized pieces, I buy low and sell high.
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 Posted 07/24/2014  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirdizzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's odd most pawn shops I see never lower there prices and the items just collect dust on the shelves, they paid say $25 or $30 when that was spot and our just not willing to take a loss at $20 spot.

And how do you own a pawn shop and not know the value of what you are buying and selling that is just poor business sense.
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 Posted 08/13/2014  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffalosRock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not talking VAMs or specialties, I don't have an issue with cherry-picking for those. But mint mark labelling errors, which I have seen a fair amount of, or just obvious pricing errors and taking advantage of others - particularly being blazen about it and flaunting the ethics - is my main issue. Seeing dealers lie about cleaning and condition and FMV etc. etc. gets sickening. I don't like to see the unethical sleaze on either side of the counter!
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 Posted 08/13/2014  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sirdizzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have recently been scoring quite a bit out of my LCS foreign bin as this is clearly a US specialty coin shop. I have found 4 silver coins in their foreign junk bin in a week. Should I feel guilty for not informing them of this I do not think so. They are a coin shop they specialize in coins and silver and gold its their job and or responsibility to know what its worth, would I have paid higher had these coins been in 2x2's displayed in their shelves absolutely. They treat there foreign coins like junk something of a nuisance lets just toss em all together in a big bin and be done with them. They probably paid there customers pennies for these coins or nothing at all telling them they were worthless they are not losing any money in this proposition. They are selling them for 20 cents because they paid nothing or a penny for them at most a nickel. The person who lost is the customer who came in and were told there coins were worth nothing not the coin shop. I could say hey you know this British 1935 half crown you are selling is %50 silver and they could charge me more and make a nice $5-10 profit on a coin they might have paid 2 cents for. I mean none of the coins I have pulled out have been worth more than $10 and I have spent a good time culling through them to find those few.

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 Posted 08/14/2014  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wvgasguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never seen anything priced cheap at a pawn shop. As a stacker rather than a collector I'd buy everything silver he had
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 Posted 08/14/2014  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverexile to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, interestingly.. after 2weeks I went back and checked out what else new he had and prices.. and I genuinely think he doesn't know, or care too much about the values.

Silver rounds of various types - $20. OK. good... bought
1923 Peace. Looked UNC on the faces but the edges banged up badly.. meh.
Walking Liberty half dollars - $10 firm. Meh
1900 Quarter, poor condition. $7 - Unsure about this...?

Not sure I have a point to this story.. The original post was about him selling $2 silver quarters, I just think he didn't do the math well.. and I pointed it out to him... I would do it again, but if he had a clearly very valuable cc Morgan for $20 I am unsure if I would speak up.. really unsure...

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 Posted 08/14/2014  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneditis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sleeping peacefully is my first goal so I think you did well.
Money is just money...unless you have not got and problems arise
Equilibrium? Ufff...
Buying is simple...as selling :)
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