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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it would be a great idea to have a sub forum, for threads on fake coins. Here's why, new comers could find the information easily. All topics old or new would be in 1 place easy to search for the older discussions as they're not mixed with other threads. When wanting to discuss fake coins it's all in one area. It become a very good go to source. Now where to put it? Would it be strictly for Canadian coins ? Better yet a separate sub forum for all fake coins. It would be a super resource, if there were questions on any world coin.


Well I have to disagree. Discussions on a fake CC Morgan dollar should be right alongside discussions about real CC Morgan dollars. IMO, having a separate forum would dilute the forum's effectiveness. Morgan dollars real or fake, need to be together.
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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with PC50. I think a sub would be good. The one off threads about just get drowned out. It's becoming a more frequent problem and many members here scour global ebay sites and others for coins. There is a "Numismatic Crime" forum but it's rarely frequented and generally used to discuss theft. Maybe we can pilot a "fake coin" forum under the Canadian coins and see how it goes. It can include links, warnings and other work on the topic performed by members.
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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby,
Specifically to Canadian forums, right now now any discussion on fake coins or ebay issues get diluted in either the main forum, the error forum or the NCLT forum. There is no real consistency to where these things get posted as it is so I'm not sure where the value add is not having one.
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right now now any discussion on fake coins or ebay issues get diluted in either the main forum, the error forum or the NCLT forum.


Well, they shouldn't be there. When you see them hit the "Send Note to Staff" link in the original post and let us know. A topic for a fake coin should be in the same forum as if it were a legitimate coin.

There's over a thousand posts a day here and the Staff cannot monitor them all. We need, and appreciate, the members help with this stuff.
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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin hunter sounds like a good idea for us Canadians. The other world coins can figure out their own solution.

I was just thinking from my own stand point, I collect the occasional coin other than Canadians. For me it's too much of a hassle going to individual forums and search topics for fake: crowns / Morgan's / pence / peso/ shillings etc. I think you can see what I'm getting at. Some people may have a small percent of world coins in their collection and not have the time or patience to search for threads on these different coins. I know I don't, for all I know I could have a few fake foreign coins and not be aware of it. Having a sub forum devoted to fake coins: I could go to one place too look up info on my chosen coin, without bouncing all over. Then then again it's not my forum or my decision. It's just a suggestion.
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You know... the search function on the CCF site is pretty darned good... just sayin'. Threads don't get diluted, if you embrace the power of the CCF search engine.

The only part I don't like - is that links to ebay sellers with counterfeit coins usually are dead after 90 days. Instead of posting ebay links, take a screen capture of the counterfeit coin and create a new thread with the date, denomination and word "counterfeit" in the title. I can't emphasize enough the importance of a good title for optimal searches (not only on CCF but for internet search engines in general).
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer

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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup....I see where this going....
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 Posted 12/06/2014  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's assume a newcomer comes here, doesn't register though, because he has an 1878 CC Morgan dollar. He goes to the US Classic forum and searches 1878 CC Morgan. He gets a list of topics that come up and reads 15-20 of them and comes up with a general idea what it's worth and leaves.

He never sees the 40 topics with the counterfeit 1878 CC Morgans because they are in a completely different area. Had they been in the same forum..... he likely would have discovered that his coin was fake rather easily.
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Instead of posting ebay links, take a screen capture of the counterfeit coin and create a new thread with the date, denomination and word "counterfeit" in the title.


In addition to posting the link.......
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@ SPP I agree with you on the ebay links. It's frustrating to go to them and it's been removed or expired. Adding a screen shot is an excellent idea. This way once the ad is history, a reader will still know what it's about. Progress comes from tweaking the system. I also never thought to look under errors for topics on fake coins.
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No one is arguing CCF's search capability. The problem is that terms and descriptions can vary and so will the results. The thought was that in a single forum it would be more organized and possibly encourage more action. Both on the post side and the ebay complaint side. My opinion only...
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 Posted 12/06/2014  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby,

In the CC example the assumption is that someone would have posted the year of the coin in the body of the post. That often doesn't happen. You'll see posts like "here is another ebay seller with fakes" (or similar). Trying to force people to be consistent in how they post as well as the information they provide is impossible. Anyways... It was just a thought...No worries....
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Here's another coin I am quite certain is a fake. An 1875H 5 cent this time. Notice the weak/malformed denticles, shape/orientation of the date and some other design elements.

Likely fake 1875H 5c
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/181625743899....m1438.l2649

ICCS certified 1875H 5c of a similar grade for comparison:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1875-H-Canad...6167894?rd=1
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