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A "Hole" Lot Of Copper

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 Posted 01/14/2015  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SelectCoinCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Canadian version...more than 150 and I tossed two U.S. Lc's I had sitting around on top. What a shame, a few of these would have been AU/MS until they were polished with 200 grit.

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 Posted 01/14/2015  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now that's a pocket full, could you imagine carrying around a load of those in your pockets, back in the day?
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 Posted 02/23/2015  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deacon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is what got ne into early cooper those old junk coppers. wish I still had them.
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You know I go to this PM shop and he sells large cents out of this small box. I look for higher grade with verdigris I can remove with Verdi-care, better dates or varieties. He told me he has one guy that buys all the holed large cent. People buy these in all sorts of conditions. I personally like them with out holes that are chocolate brown, light brown, or woody. Personally I need to knock it off with the cull lots or dug lots but I find interesting things and better dates I can sell off. I agree with the statement that the holes have stories. I sold a draped but Half Cent with a square hole obviously hung for good luck.


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 Posted 02/23/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many a counterstamped coin was holed with some intent ....

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John Zettler is listed in the 1872 NY City Directory at 88 Norfolk Street. His business was therein was simply described as "guns." Previously, in the 1850 Mercantile Directory, he was listed as a gunsmith in NY County.

Thanks to online research, I was able to gather some interesting history about John. Born about 1830, he arrived in the U.S. in 1837. His family was from Marburg, Germany. An accomplished gunsmith, John made a pepperbox pistol that was later patented by Blunt & Syms. A mark that's identical to this counterstamp appears on an 1850's era large bore rifle that John made.

During the Civil War, John enlisted in Company H of the NY Third Infantry on 7-13-1863. He was appointed as artificer or weapons' craftsman in the field. He was mustered out in Washington, D.C. on 8-22-1865. Following the war, John and his brother had businesses at various addresses in the Bowery. The Zettlers produced percussion and breach-loading target rifles. Many Germans in those days formed shooting clubs and held contests for marksmanship.

As this host coin is dated 1865, John likely applied his gunsmith mark during his days at the Bowery shooting gallery. To date, this is the only example of the Zettler counterstamp, listed by Brunk or Rulau.

Here's a link to the Zettler Bros. photo gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/halp/zetter_bros&page=all
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I noticed the holes are all near the edge. Are they all necklace type pieces? It doesn't seem the least worthy and lowest value coin of (minus Half Cent) all would be used as a necklace. What could be the most common reason to hole a coin like that?
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I recall coin charm bracelets were popular at one time; I think my grandmother had some, and I seem to remember girls still wearing them in the 60s. You can still buy them. Also, didn't people used to nail coins inside entrance door frames for good luck? I read a thread on that a while back, perhaps on this forum. Seems like the ones with square holes would be likely candidates for that, from the old square nails.
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stampvirgin is wise. Because once the bug bites...
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