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How Far Back Can We Go? Third Edition! Ended At 1487 Waiting On 1486

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 Posted 04/26/2018  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just to be clear, we can accept any coin from anywhere as long as the common era date can be determined.
IIRC, we even allow minting periods that go over the year boundary, as long as they are known to be a year long or less, and the majority of the period falls into the respective year.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. This become important when converting from calendars that do not completely overlap with the common era year. In that case, we go with were the majority overlap is.
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 Posted 05/19/2018  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fourth edition is closing in. Will it force the lock before 1487 is posted?
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 Posted 06/14/2018  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last chance!

With the fourth edition down to the last few years this one will likely end next week.
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 Posted 06/15/2018  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a couple of 1487 coins up for auction right now ...

Who knows?

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 Posted 06/15/2018  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dang. I saw this pop up and thought someone had one.

Back to my popcorn.
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 Posted 06/15/2018  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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According to numista, this coin can be dated by the silver content. I'm not sure how true that is, though.


I should have been paying more attention earlier. I have one of these (Brabant Griffon, Philippe le Beau 1487-88). Which raises two questions:
1. Does anyone know if the XRF instruments that might be present in a coin shop can detect this kind of difference (about 5%)?
2. Who wants to take up the collection for me to go to my LCS to find out?
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So what you are saying is that XRF might be able remove the ambiguity and pin this coin down to a 1487 or a 1488?

Seems like a worthy investment. Who wants to take one for the team?
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 Posted 06/15/2018  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll chip in a fiver.
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 Posted 06/16/2018  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So what you are saying is that XRF might be able remove the ambiguity and pin this coin down to a 1487 or a 1488?


That depends on (a) the accuracy of the XRF measurement, and (b) the validity of the info in Numista.

I have good news and bad news.
First the good news: you guys are off the hook for a contribution. My LCS provided the service for free (I think that was because they got to see a coin they'd never seen before). The other good news was that the XRF should be is accurate enough to tell the difference between a 50% silver coin and a 46% silver coin with a high degree of certainty.

The bad news: the coin tested at 62% silver. Which doesn't fit the criteria for either year given in Numista, though it argues for 1487 more than 1488.

So, now I'm curious about the source of the Numista information.
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 Posted 06/16/2018  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now that is interesting. I suppose we will have to keep looking for a more accurate 1487.
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 Posted 06/17/2018  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Yep.
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 Posted 06/18/2018  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last chance to push it back one more year. This topic will probably be locked after Wednesday.
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 Posted 06/18/2018  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got nothin'.
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I tried to take one for the team.

I placed a bid on a low grade 1487 Brabant double griffon in today's Kunker auction. (OK ... Brabant is a sweet spot of my collection, so it was also for me, not just the team).

It sold for 450% of the estimate

SO, nope, I got nuthin' either.
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