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 Posted 11/28/2007  6:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bonham3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A lot going on here ?
In the last pic. you can see how someone
tried sanding down or grinding off a high spot.
the white area is whats left of it. must of been a beauty
if it bothered them that much.


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 Posted 11/28/2007  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Bonham,
Sure looks like some kind of error! I'd guess clashed die, although I can't really picture what part of the 1939 cent reverse die would correspond to the raised areas on the obverse.

Can you post photos of the entire obverse and reverse?

I'm curious to know what our Lincoln Cent and error experts think about this?
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 Posted 11/28/2007  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting coin possibly double struck in collar.
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 Posted 11/28/2007  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The higher horizontal line looks like a die gouge. The lower one not sure. The rest just looks like a well spent cent.
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 Posted 11/28/2007  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We need to see a picture of the entire obverse and reverse. Cant really tell if it is damage or what from the picture. Could be something good but without the rest of the coin to look at, you cant tell.
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 Posted 11/29/2007  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bill that we need to see more of this coin to see what is coin on. Someone mentioned die gouge. The head is in the lower part of the die and usually doesn't not get damaged there. Did gouges are usually only in the fields. If it was gouged in the lower details it would appear higher than the bust. Clash marks would only show in the fields as only the fields touch during a fie clash. The out lines of the deeper die leaves outlines of devices. But the deeper part is not usually damaged. So more images might give us a second opinion. Not sure at this time what it is.
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 Posted 11/30/2007  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I've mentioned before in other threads, it is impossible to tell , in some cases just what caused the damage but that is what it is on this cent.

The raised lines on the obverse do not correspond with anything that would be caused by a double strike.

It's obvious that someone really tampered with the reverse of the coin. That makes it even more likely that whatever the person was doing to work the reverse so harshly damaged the obverse.

Nothing as far as an error here.

Something to keep in mind on many of these is that if there is some damage on one part of the coin there is probably not some fantastic error on another part. Usually the anomaly is simply an extension or a result of whatever created the other damage.

Thanks

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 Posted 11/30/2007  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bonham3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank's
I agree with Found on the damage aspects
but still not sure it adds up to an exact answer.
i myself ruled out a clash, as found nothing in the fields
of the coin to link to one. the obverse lower markings could
be due to the tinkering with the rev. but if you notice
part of the tinkering on the rev. you see heavy scratch marks
and like I mentioned, it is a pretty good assumption one was trying
to sand or grind down one pretty good lump (as indicated) in photo
of the whiter area. That is the part that I wonder about. how big was it and how did it get there. Kind of like going in reverse but something to think about. no matter what, coin is not in great shape anyway and of no real premium but I still like to figure out what makes things tick or sick.

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 Posted 12/01/2007  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm the same way. I like to try to figure out what's what with a whacked coin:-)

I learned though that by analyzing certain things we can figure out if a coin is an error. There are consistencies.

When we come across a coin that doesn't fit the consistencies that we look for we usually can discover that there is some kind of post mint damage that has been done to a coin.

When I talk about consistencies, I am not saying that every error is 100% identical but I am saying that the characteristics of one off-center struck coin, for example can be compared to the characteristics of every other off-center struck coin and we can look for the particular characteristics on the coins. We can then identify an error that way.

It is the same for coins struck on incomplete planchets and coins that have been struck multiple times. There are consistencies amongst all
clips" let's say that we can use to identify a genuine one.

When a coin does not fit any of the known possibilities, there would then be two choices:-) It's either something new, or its a clunker:-)

When a coin fits into these two categories, we look at where the coin came from and if it shows signs of abuse or other damages.

When we determine that a coin is damaged, it is sometimes possible to tell how. Either we've seen others like it before as is the case with what I like to call " Dryer Coins" and others keep wanted to call "spooned" . Using those as an example, I had a friend take a bunch of coins out of a clothes dryer at a laundromat as he was a dryer mechanic, and hand them to me. I know first hand what a clothes dryer can do and I have the coins here to prove to others what the damage looks like.

Similar damage happens to quarters and halves that have seen heavy use in casino slot machines.

With other types of damage, there are literally millions of ways to damage a coin and people will fool around and try just about anything. When we can't see a hole done by a drill or a mark placed on a coin by a punch or a hammer strike etc., we have to say that a coin shows unknown post mint damage.

I've learned that many post mint damaged specimens are in a condition where you just can't tell what happened to them unless you were watching somebody destroy the coin:-)

It's fun to try to figure out what happened but sometimes it reaches the realm of the impossible:-)

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