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The End Of The Dollar Bill? (Update)

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 Posted 05/15/2015  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollywood to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 05/15/2015  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said in the other thread, all we need are:

Coins:
10c
50c
$1
$5

Bills:
$10
$20
$50
$100

Can't imagine larger bills due to criminal activity and the use of cards for big (legal) transactions.
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Fox, I admire your passion on this issue. Don't give up. I would really love to see the $1 bill go away. The cent also is ready to go also, even though I am one of the "minority" that actually pick up cents on the sidewalk. But I rarely spend them. A $2 coin would be awesome, even if used for commemorative issues. In the meantime, I spend $2 bills regularly and it surprises me that most machines will not accept these. I actually got to ride the bus for 75 cents recently because all I had were $2 bills and half dollars on me at the time and 3 quarters. The bus machine would not accept either the $2 bills or half dollars, even though the slot was large enough to accept them. Go figure.
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 Posted 05/15/2015  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tkbslc,

By that logic, we really don't need a $20 denomination either. If we are not going to have a $2 bill/coin or $200 bill if they reissued the $500 bill, then we don't need a $20 bill either, despite the $20 bill being our most popular bill after the $1 bill. You might as well ditch all of the numeral "2" denominations altogether.

Me, I prefer more denominations. Here is what I would prefer, some not as seriously as others:

Coins:

10c
20c
50c
$1
$2
$5

Bills:

$10
$20
$50
$70 (because there seems to be a huge gap between $50 and $100, but I'm not totally sure about a $70 bill)
$100
$200
$500
$700 (See the description for the $70 bill.
$1,000

Future Denominations:

$2,000
$5,000
$7,000 (Again review the reason for a $70 bill. Same principles)
$10,000

(By the way, a bit off topic, but I find it a bit ironic and strange that neither our most popular ($1) nor least popular ($2) bills are the only bills that have not been redesigned. Anyone else here ever thought about this?
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I think the government did not redesign the $1 bill because they expect it to be eliminated, so why redesign it? Even if it does not happen for a while. They probably have not redesigned the $2 bill because it is not heavily used. But that is an interesting idea. I would bet if the $2 bill got a makeover it would be more popular. I don't think the $1 bill will be redesigned.
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And I don't see any reason for a $70 bill. This can be easily accomplished with a $50 and a $20. Maybe a $70 commemorative note?!?
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 Posted 05/15/2015  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@perfessor

Don't worry, I don't plan to give up any time soon. And neither does the Dollar Coin Alliance. I was just at my local Walmart, and I asked the managers what they plan to do to their self checkout stands, if the $1 bill goes, as far as dispensing dollar coins, mainly because I wanted to ask them to ask the U-Scan people to include a new feature to dispense halves, as well as dollar coins and $2 bills, and eventually $2 coins, and they told me that, there were talks of them getting new U-Scans in a few months, and they didn't know much about the machines, as that company is outside their store, but said that they could probably make them do that (accept and dispense halves and $2 bills if they did, dollar coins) I was told to call their World Headquarters to address the issue with them. I want to get the idea in their heads before they forget about the possibility of the half. The $2 bill idea should be a given, because there will be a space for it, where $1 bills would have went, and many people are not going to want to be carrying around a bunch of dollar coins, when they can carry $2 bills instead. Not sure about $2 coins, but I'm sure that, if it was done in Canada, it can be done here. One of the managers I talked to said he was from Canada, as I mentioned Canada scrapping their cents, and I asked him if he liked the loonies and toonies, and he said "Oh yeah" and we talked about eliminating cents here in the U.S. too.

I still stand by my idea for a $2 coin series to be used to start a U.S. circulating $2 coin, and my mother and I both like my "Famous Dogs $2 Coin Act" that would be a nine year program featuring four famous dogs of U.S. history each year, discluding false famous dogs, such as celeberty dogs, Presidential pets, movie star dogs and other false famous dogs. Only dogs such as sled, fire, rescue, police, military etc. hero dogs being featured on the front of the new $2 coins, with their name and breed stamped on the boarder of the bottom of the coin ("Mixed Breed" if the dog is not purebred) and on the reverse of the new $2 coins, the first four years would feature the Gray Wolf, the second three years, the Coyote, and the final three years, the North American Red Fox to honor the decendents of the dog, for dogs serving man kind for 30,000+ years or so. And I think that the Famous Dogs series should start out with Balto the Husky that did the serum run from Anchorage to Nome Alaska during a deadly dyptheria outbreak. And actually, I really think that this coin series should be called the "Balto $2 Coin Act" in which Balto would be put on the coin first, then after the multiple dog program ends, a permanent Balto design should remain on the obverse of the $2 coin as the permanent design for the $2 coin, seeing as there have been famous men on U.S. coins and currency, and famous women on dollar coins, and although there have been animals on U.S. coins and currency in the past, such as buffalo, and eagles, there has never been a "famous" animal that has been featured on a coin or banknote in the U.S. as the main portrait that has actually meant something. I think Balto would be the most known choice to feature a famous true hero dog on a coin or bill (even though the story tells that Balto stole most of the fame from another sled dog named Togo, who supposedly was more involved in the serum run than Balto was if I recall correctly, so maybe Togo should be honored, if not Balto as the final design.
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Like I said, Don't take the $70 bill idea too seriously. I wasn't overly impressed with the idea. Just a thought.
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Why do we want the cent to go? It is the best.
It is the worst for commerce. It is a colossal waste of resources and the epitome of special interest spending.

I am all in favour of keeping it around for collectors (NIFC), as a 95% copper issue, of course.
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I toy around with arcade and vending machines as a hobby. I have bill changers and have seen the space allotted inside the machines. There really wouldn't be an easy way to just make a machine accept halves. The 2 dollar bill would work, but it would be a big cost to an individual route operator. I can personally see machine manufacturers forgo change and bill acceptors all together. The vast majority of machines on locations right now all have a credit card slot, just swipe and go. There are also machines that the item has a phone number, you just dial the number and it drops out and charges the credit card attached to your cell phone. With these two technologies available why work backwards to accept bills and coins that may or may not ever be used.
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@tkbslc,

By that logic, we really don't need a $20 denomination either. If we are not going to have a $2 bill/coin or $200 bill if they reissued the $500 bill, then we don't need a $20 bill either, despite the $20 bill being our most popular bill after the $1 bill. You might as well ditch all of the numeral "2" denominations altogether.


Ironically I thought about not including the $20. But it still has reasonably significant buying power, is already in heavy circulation and is kind of the ATM default. So I figured I would leave it there. I agree we could easily omit it though.

I don't have a big problem with your list, only that I like simple. 20 cents is too small a denomination to be worth it, IMO. People already had a chance to love the $2 and they didn't. $70 seems pointless when we already have a $50+$20 and counting by 70s is not something I'd trust a minimum wage employee to handle. Anything over $100 and I think you have to worry about it all ending up in the drug trade.

As for vending machines, we already have the perfect coin for those - the small dollar.
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I am all in favour of keeping it around for collectors (NIFC), as a 95% copper issue, of course.


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As a canadian with no cents let me jump in. As a collector I miss the penny but let's be the real... There is no point in having it. It is a drain on the government to produce. The government is a business and it makes no sense to make something that is valued less than it cost to produce.

Well said!

The cent has no buying power and cost more to manufacture than it is worth. We should get rid of it except for sale to collectors. Production of the paper dollar should end and it should be replaced by the dollar coin. Both of these measures will save the government (and therefore us) tons of money over the long haul. Some tax credits to help the vending machine companies modify existing machines would be a good idea to not have a negative impact on their businesses.

Beyond that, I think the rest isn't going to happen because the need isn't as urgent. There is no need for a $2 bill. The $500 bill probably won't happen simply because purchases that large rarely use cash these days. Recirculation of the half dollar won't happen either because it weighs as much as two quarters and is larger in diameter.
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As a canadian with no cents let me jump in. As a collector I miss the penny but let's be the real... There is no point in having it. It is a drain on the government to produce. The government is a business and it makes no sense to make something that is valued less than it cost to produce.
Forgot to comment on this earlier. Well said.
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I would ONLY support a $2 coin if there is NO edge lettering and having just a regular design. Reagan would be an interesting choice for the obverse.
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