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Hello members, I am pondering which country was the first to make security edge as an official design for their coins. I think the Great Britain was the first country to undergo Industrial Revolution successfully, she was probably the first country to invent and adopt security edge for the coins. But strangely, coins of security edge can only find in her colonial coins rather than the local pieces. Do you have any information to prove or disprove my assertions? Thank you for any ideas cited.

Of all my collections, the earliest coin that possesses a security edge is the 1934 Mauritius rupee. See the following pictures:
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The "security edge", a combination of a reeded and decorated-grooved edge, was apparently introduced for colonial coinages where the authorities believed clipping and/or counterfeiting was likely. They were originally applied to silver coins, with British India the most easily found. The coins of Hong Kong also feature same the edge, but ironically was only introduced onto the coinage after silver was withdrawn from the coinage. I'm not aware of an example older than your Mauritius coin.

There are similar decorated-groove edges, however, that can be found on early machine-struck copper coins and tokens, from the late 1700s and early 1800s.
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Thank you your feedback, Sap. You remind me the penny and half-penny tokens during the 18th and 19th Centuries in Great Britain have some examples of "security edged" coins. The following is one of the examples. Though this security edge is rather crude, it is likely the precursor of the modern design. So I am more sure Great Britain should be the pioneer of security edge design on coins.
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Hi Wonghinghi,
Try the 1806/7 George III half penny,


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I am fairly sure that this was the 1st issue with the anti counterfeit edge, after the mess of the late 18th century monetary system they had to do something
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Hi tenbobbit, anti-counterfeit and to retard clipping of a coin are different. Is the security edge design mainly aimed for anti-counterfeiting or other purpose? Can you elaborate your findings?
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I am struggling to find the exact reference material but I will amend my previous statement in that the 1st issue was in 1799 not 1806.
Matthew Boulton who owned a private mint at SOHO mint Birmingham was given the contract to produce coins after a 25 year gap in production from 1774 - 1799.
Why he chose the edge style is the part I am struggling to nail down, it was definitely for security/ anti counterfeit reasons though.
The main source of my information comes from a chap called Tony Clayton who has a site called
www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk
I will try and find my other sources for you. hope this helps.
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The security edge helped prevent both clipping and counterfeiting, in that it was difficult for either a clipper or counterfeiter to attempt to reproduce without expensive machinery. Which one it was primarily intended to prevent depends on the nature of the coin. For silver coins, clipping would be the main problem. For base-metal coins, counterfeiting would be the main problem.

Boulton was attempting to prove to the British government that his steam-powered machinery could produce coins that were superior to the Mint's old-fashioned screw-pressed coins in every respect: his machine was faster, and the coins that could be made were both more attractive and more counterfeit-resistant. Counterfeiting of the bronze coinage was a major problem in England in the Napoleonic period; the lack of official coinage since the 1770s meant that by the 1790s, any official coins still in circulation were quite badly worn and the shortage meant that people were so desperate for small change that many folks didn't look too closely at the coinage.
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Thank you Sap.
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