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Paying Taxes On Precious Metals

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 Posted 08/20/2015  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TMCD75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, when trump gets in, hopefully he'll cut taxes. How's that? I do vote and pay my taxes, too. I simply won't abide by the ridiculous 28% tax on pm, but my tax bracket takes care of that for me...so I don't have to break the law afterall.
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 Posted 08/20/2015  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now you went and said the "T" word.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tax on .999 noble metals is a scam.
Where I live .999 gold, silver, and platinum (palladium is rare so I don't know much about it) are non-taxable. They're considered to be money by many people. But the second you drop the purity to even .950 is when it's considered to be an end-product so the buyer must pay regular sales tax of 13%, ie. a lot! Transactions over $10,000 are monitored or recorded.
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 Posted 08/25/2015  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Since we've devolved into politics:

If you voted then the folks who made the tax laws are the ones you voted for.
If you haven't voted then you have nothing to complain about.
If you intend to vote there is hope.


I vote, my guys just never win!
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 Posted 08/28/2015  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buffalow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Suppose you die and your grown child inherits your lifelong coin collection. For tax purposes, a "step-up in valuation" places it at current value with no tax consequence to your gain on original investment. The heir is only taxed on any future gains after this point in time. Be sure to keep a Red Book with the collection along with a note explaining its significance; stress the importance of transaction records and maintaining annual Red Books for any year in which there are pieces added to or sold from the collection. You may also wish to express that you desire this gift to become a multi-generational legacy, if applicable.
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 Posted 08/28/2015  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
moxking

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Without doing so, your heirs stand the chance of losing significantly either because they sell too low, or don't know how to determine prices paid and expenses incurred in creating the collection. If you don't keep such a listing and advice your executor on those details, I can assure you that even if the executor is familiar with coins, they will probably throw in the towel on trying to work the numbers.

All those records mean nothing when somebody dies. The heirs basis steps up or down to fair market value.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepped-up_basis
This is why if you have capitol losses, you better use them before you die.

Buffalow

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Suppose you die and your grown child inherits your lifelong coin collection. For tax purposes, a "step-up in valuation" places it at current value with no tax consequence to your gain on original investment. The heir is only taxed on any future gains after this point in time. Be sure to keep a Red Book with the collection along with a note explaining its significance; stress the importance of transaction records and maintaining annual Red Books for any year in which there are pieces added to or sold from the collection. You may also wish to express that you desire this gift to become a multi-generational legacy, if applicable.

You're correct that a heirs basis steps up to current market value, but I don't see any reason that purchase/sale records are even relevant at that point. If the estate is large enough that estate taxes are owed, the executor should use the grey sheet bid prices to determine value. On the other hand, if the estate is small enough that taxes are now owed, then a retail price guide like the Red Book should be used because it gives the coins a higher basis for their new owner. The higher the basis, the less taxes will have to be paid in the future (or the bigger the loss).
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