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Forum Dad
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Tighe you're exactly right. I'm not upset, ruffled, mad.... nothing. I'm very calm, and I've only smacked Susan once today which is the normal daily average.  It's obviously worked. This answer from halfdollarnut is encouraging.. quote:
To answer your question, I don't really know, it's never happened to me. If it does sometime in the future, I'll deal with it then.
To me he's saying that he's not sure now that paying is the only responsibility of the buyer.  quote:
Please note that I haven't accused anyone, either buyer or seller, of scamming nor have I implied it.
I never said you did. I'm merely saying that this is another reason to not leave feedback just because payment is made. A buyer that pays with a stolen credit card certainly doesn't deserve a positive. quote:
Buyer feedback and seller feedback need to be separate issues.
That my friend is a fantastic and very true statement. Feedback should never be an issue between honest buyers and sellers. Niether should give a hoot who leaves it first or even at all. I couldn't care less if a buyer leaves me feedback. In fact it's less work for me if they don't. One single negative can crush a seller, one hundred negatives don't affect a buyer one iota. They can still bid all they want and there's nothing a seller can do about it. Complain until your tongue bleeds that sellers hold feedback hostage... the fact is the feedback system is tremendously weighted in the buyers favor and always has been. Buyers have the option to look at my feedback before they buy. Sellers don't have the same luxury, we're stuck with what ebay sends us. A buyer with 100 negatives in the last year can bid on my item in the last minute and ebay lets them. I have no say in the matter. If I had 100 negatives in the last year, buyers can make the decision not to bid. Let me specify the amount of negatives in my specified time period that's not allowed to bid on my items (ie - more than 2 negs in the last 60 days can't bid) then maybe I'll take buyer feedback system complaints seriously. As a seller, as it stands now, buyer feedback is worthless to me since I can't use it. Buyers get to use seller feedback every time they bid. Perfect example of buyer vs seller feedback and buyers not reading the listing: https://goccf.com/t/16320This guy from the Netherlands left us 2 negatives because he didn't read the listing. We refused to accept Paypal as stated in the first paragraph, bold, italicized, and in bright blue. I negged him right back for not reading the listing. He couldn't care less........... until he realized he couldn't sell anything with our negs. Whaddya know, about a month later, he filed to have them mutually withdrawn even though he left them first. quote:
I hope I answered your ?
Well, I've read your post 5 times now and I don't see that you've answered the question. |
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A buyer with 100 negatives in the last year can bid on my item in the last minute and ebay lets them. I have no say in the matter. If I had 100 negatives in the last year, buyers can make the decision not to bid.
Actually you do have a say if they got no payment strikes, you can block bidders with so many strikes in a given period, I have done it after my neg experience. And yes, I have blocked bidders that people I know in my collecting interests have had issues with. I don't sell hundreds of items a year on ebay, usually it is the last avenue of selling, some stuff has to go on there because it is too specialized. Since my neg experience back in 2002 or so, I have never had another NPB issue. In fact since then I have only had one non paying buyer, that was on another forum. So in essence you have justified to my satisfaction why you would withhold feedback until acknowledgment by the buyer. I myself would more likely do that discretionary, considering the buyers feedback and taking into account the negs, and the so so positives(read between the lines.) |
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We're trying to work with this guy to get the feedback mutually withdrawn, but this is one of the reasons that ebay's feedback system doesn't work very well. If a buyer does not pay, then they shouldn't be able to leave feedback since they didn't fulfill their part of the bargain.
Perfect example of buyer vs seller feedback and buyers not reading the listing: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=16320 quote:
This guy from the Netherlands left us 2 negatives because he didn't read the listing. We refused to accept Paypal as stated in the first paragraph, bold, italicized, and in bright blue.
I negged him right back for not reading the listing. He couldn't care less........... until he realized he couldn't sell anything with our negs. Whaddya know, about a month later, he filed to have them mutually withdrawn even though he left them first.
If you mark this bidiot with an NPB, and you have stellar feedback, he should NOT be able to leave a negative. I had a similar situation with the negative I got in 2002, the buyer probably changed his mind, and had a track record of NPB's that got his account suspended when I filed the NPB for my auction. He came back and wanted me to settle the dispute and mutually remove the feedback and remove the NPB so he could bid. I contacted ebay and let them know that he negged in retaliation for the NPB, then changed his mind after all and wanted to buy, but I could not trust him to come forth with payment - so he sat in account purgatory for 30 days and then started up all over again. Now foreign bidders. I had one guy in Norway that bid on one of my auctions, didn't pay, didn't respond so I negged him. Incredibly the guy not only did NOT retaliate, but wrote back and apologized for being so stupid. With your Dutch bidder, I hope you left comment in Dutch and English so his countrymen will understand it(most Dutch know English better than most English, but you know.) |
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Forum Dad
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If you mark this bidiot with an NPB, and you have stellar feedback, he should NOT be able to leave a negative.
You're right, but they can. All they have to do is respond to the NPB notice and they are free to leave feedback. The response could be "I'm not paying for this", as long as the NPB doesn't go unanswered, they can leave feedback whether they've paid or not. |
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You're right, but they can. All they have to do is respond to the NPB notice and they are free to leave feedback. The response could be "I'm not paying for this", as long as the NPB doesn't go unanswered, they can leave feedback whether they've paid or not.
I watched something on the idiot box one night about ebay and Meg Whitman etc. where this topic did come up. All they will offer is that they are "working on it". They have had problems with feedback functions ever since ebay began offering the feedback option on transactions. I can remember when I signed on back in 1997 you could leave any number of feedbacks for a transaction, so you could leave say 15 negatives for one transaction as they were not linked to the transaction. You would think in 10 years they would have come up with something that works for their sellers, but they really don't care about you, even if you are a powerseller they could care less as long as they collect their usurious fees. |
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Rest in Peace
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Edited by Sleaklight
11/25/2007 10:29 pm
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Report him here. (You need to be signed in) Why should he make money from your photos.
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11/25/2007 10:51 pm
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Thanks, I already reported him, hopefully they stop him soon  |
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Unfortunately, my first post here is to report a fraudulent seller. Avoid egreg46. The negative feedbacks are starting to roll in, and police are involved. He actually sent out his lower dollar items, but kept the money from the higher dollar items and ran. His account will probably be revoked within the month, but just a heads up in case. ScamScamScamScamScamScam |
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wintercoins
I asked for a picture of the reverse of the coin and he/she replied that his battery died and wont recharge. We all know that a camera doesn't just die and doesn't recharge. Especially when all his auctions only show the obverse of the items he sells, so am I to assume that the camera died each time? Sellers that lie are no good imo despite his high sales count and high feedback.
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snowranger100: while he/she has a high ebay rating, it is my opinion that the 3,166 wheaties I received were cleaned and sorted because the majority of them were modern wheaties and have a strange film on them. The minority were barely "G" 1909 - 1933 cents. |
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I'm reporting my experience with an ebay seller ID ernie. I bought a group of IHC from him because one was a die variety. I asked him beforehand whether the coins were cleaned, which he avoided a direct response. Since he had a decent (99.8%) rating, I bought the coins. I can't speak for all of his auctions, but a few of these coins show evidence of mild whizzing upon inspection. Just thought I'd mention that... |
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KurtS,
Ernie is the subject of another input to this thread and he is an infrequent visitor to the forum. The previous input was for overgrading and overpricing.
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