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Fake 1878-S Morgan Dollar?

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how is the reverse a 79?

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Appears authentic however it's highly polished.
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I highly doubt it's polished. I think it's just poor imaging.

The guy has sold 167 PL Morgans without a single neg for polishing..

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?rmvS...+pl&_sacat=0
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Appears authentic however it's highly polished.


Drew, this reverse was not used on 1878-S. Either the image is wrong, or the coin is a fake. That's the point behind the OP's question; he knows the C (Rev 79) reverse wasn't used on 1878-S. All of them are B reverses.

I went back over some of this seller's business, and I'm not very confident in his veracity. Most of his stuff looks polished, and some of them would have fetched multiple extra zeros on the selling price had they been in slabs.

Month and a half ago he sold a "DMPL" 1921-P Morgan for $84. Heritage has 2968 records of 1921-P Morgans (mostly high-end, as you'd expect); only 57 are DMPL. The coin should be worth a couple thousand at least. 1921 is almost impossible in any sort of Prooflike, and every Morgan collector knows that.

Ain't buying it.
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1878 S doesn't have a 79 reverse that I'm aware of.
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the sad part is if the guy knew anything about morgans he would know that would probably dmpl and therefore is porbably fake or polished becuase he dosent mark it, describe it, with prober term.
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definitely polished. you can see the goup on obverse in the date. hes getting sloppy most of the other auctions ive seen show no trace of polishing. I think its wax based on what I see as ive polished aluminium with rouge before and it looks nothing like that.
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The fourth right star is broken so I'm thinking it's a mismatch of obverse and reverse images.
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I messaged seller and told him, well see if he responds, someone tell me the wax on the date is not my imagination please?
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It's difficult to tell about this one due to the poor images, but some of his prior auctions are less equivocal. When researching things like this, one has to suspend disbelief for a moment - on ebay you could buy hundreds of Morgans without ever having to interact with a learning opportunity, and no doubt there are folks with hundreds of purchases of cleaned and polished coins.

They aren't the types who show up here at CCF, or anywhere else, because they already "know what they're doing." That is why it isn't hard for me to visuise a buyer with 400 Feedbacks from buying dogs for excessive money.
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I agree ... Something looks wrong here.

I have looked at the listing a couple times.

It caught my eye, that t he background is different.

When I take a picture of a coin, I take one side
flip the coin and take the other side.

Curious that this is different.
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I'm pretty sure the reverse is just an administrative error on the seller's part. Looks like the reverse of the 1882-S he has posted.
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Good spot on the '82-S.
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I hardly ever see buyers leave negs anymore for most sellers. Even the guys selling bogus TPG slabs, the "unsearched" scammers, the people selling cleaned, polished, whizzed, dipped, and horribly abused coins by the thousands...even the people selling garbage from the no no site...seem to never get negs.

Not that it matters; at 10k feedback they could get 100 negs and still have >99% positive feedback.

I once suggested that ebay do away with pos/neut/neg, and change the 4 DSR's to a 1-10 star scale and use that to replace non-written feedback, taking the average of those four ratings as a 1-100% "overall satisfaction rating" and got shouted down really quickly by sellers who take advantage of the fact that it's easy to bury unhappy customers by bribery, transaction volume, or sheer intimidation/putting them on guilt trips.

Many buyers are scared to leave low DSR's or negs because they don't want to "hurt" or "punish" the seller, even when the seller legitimately deserves the neg. I know I've left positives I had no business leaving, just for that reason, and for fear of seller retribution.
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Not only that, ebay new policy if you receive a refund you CANNOT leave a negative. Even if you do they will delete it. Shenanigans really
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AS if to prove a point I got a coin in the mail tonight, with a nice letter explaining that you can return it within 14 days if you don't like it but if you leave negative feedback they will not honor their return policy, and also instructing you on what option to choose as the reason for your return (it doesn't fit)

Fortunately it's a pretty nice PCGS Washington quarter so no need to use a return. But I hate sellers that pull those kind of stunts.

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