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Valued Member
United States
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Banks do vary from branch to branch, but the trend does appear to be away from providing any service whatsoever for free. I would try another Chase branch, but if it appears to be a bank wide issue, try another bank.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: they don't accept legal U.S. tender as payment. What are you paying for? Quote: They refuse to accept American money at an American bank. You mean they won't exchange their paper for your coins?
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Quote: I've severely reduced my CRH, only doing it from time to time now. Instead, I've had luck pulling silver and world coins I do not yet have from dealer's boxes. I have not received rolled coin form a bank in over 15 years.  I occasionally acquire rolls from private citizens and that is about it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: There is absolutely no reason for banks to support CRH. They are a bane to banks and quite frankly the banking profession as a rule hates you guys. It costs banks a great deal of money to handle coins. To a bank a CRH is a complete waste of financial resources. It cost my banks very little, in time and money. My three banks actually enjoyed dealing with me and were always curious of my finds. I saved them money by taking their coin directly, thousands of dollars at a time, eliminating courier fees. It seems like my transactions are always made during the banks slow times(down time, more often than not), and at the end of the month were earning more money from me than I was making through roll hunting.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
United States
997 Posts |
People get the concept of Legal Tender confused often. When paying a debt that is already owed, such as a bill for services rendered or a restaurant tab after you ate then they must accept legal tender in any form for that bill. If you decide to pay the bill in singles or quarters they have to accept it or the debt is no longer collectible.
Dropping coins at a bank and expecting currency in its place does not rise to a legal tender situation and the bank has every right to decline accepting it. They can do so for deposits if they wish as well.
If you want to dump coins at a bank that would otherwise refuse you then you could pay your loan or credit card bill with coin if you wish, if you have it with that bank. The trick is to dump at a place you owe money to then pay with coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: he is saying as is the right of any private business, is to refuse service, you can go into a restaurant and not get served, you can go into a barber shop and not get served, just like you can go into a bank and not get served.
Unless you want a wedding cake. or a haircut http://nypost.com/2015/09/08/barber...womans-hair/
Edited by Steele 09/21/2015 10:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: People get the concept of Legal Tender confused often. When paying a debt that is already owed, such as a bill for services rendered or a restaurant tab after you ate then they must accept legal tender in any form for that bill. If you decide to pay the bill in singles or quarters they have to accept it or the debt is no longer collectible. "There is no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise." http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...-tender.aspx I remember when I was a young driver, and gas stations wouldn't accept bills larger than $50. Wonder what would've happened had I walked away with my 50 dollar bill and non-payment?
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
Edited by fistfulladirt 09/21/2015 11:57 pm
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Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
I go into random banks all the time and ask for rolls. Never boxes, though. They never once questioned me. They're also not a bank on a national level, though. They all are locally run banks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I remember when I was a young driver, and gas stations wouldn't accept bills larger than $50. Wonder what would've happened had I walked away with my 50 dollar bill and non-payment?
Back then I assume it was pump first and then pay? It would have been interesting to see what happened if you pumped your gas and only had a $50 bill to pay.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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People get the concept of Legal Tender confused often. When paying a debt that is already owed, such as a bill for services rendered or a restaurant tab after you ate then they must accept legal tender in any form for that bill. If you decide to pay the bill in singles or quarters they have to accept it or the debt is no longer collectible.
"There is no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise." http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...-tender.aspx Goods and services yes, debts are a different story. Goods and Services are not debts, but purchases, there is a difference. When a debt is incurred so does the concept of legal tender. A business can refuse any form of cash, such as pennies, bills over a certain amount etc. if a debt has not yet incurred. Take a look at a Federal Reserve Note, it says it right there: Quote: "This note is legal tender for all debts, pubic and private." (emphasis added) Owe someone money, pay in legal tender. If they don't accept it, the debt is noncollectable and extinguished upon rejection.
Edited by n9jig 09/22/2015 7:45 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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ace_ftw same with me. My dump/pickup banks ( Two TD Banks ) almost never had coins and if they did have any there was a small amount like $10 in pennies or $30 in dimes. Now my new pickup bank (Wells Fargo) will order me a box of nickels and a box of pennies a week.
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Quote: Dropping coins at a bank and expecting currency in its place does not rise to a legal tender situation and the bank has every right to decline accepting it. They can do so for deposits if they wish as well. Nope, so wrong. I recently found out why banks around me don't have coin counting machines. State law requires banks to accept ANY rolled coins as a deposit. That Is how I got a dump bank where I don't and cannot order coins, but they cannot refuse to accept them either. One of the reasons I haven't been as active in the $100k project is because I haven't spent as many dollars and halves. The odd thing is, the bank must follow the same as other on sending out coins, and they never had $1000 of dollars or $500 of halves since they said they never got them deposited before, so someone is buying them from them so they MIGHT be going into circulation. But that if for whoever puts them to record in the project $100k, not me. So legal tender is defined as others say, BUT states can order banks to take rolled coins for deposits. You can't really say it is a choice for a bank, or store to just do what they want under "legal tender" because that is what the federal government says. You also need to check state laws, because a bank cannot operate within a state without being granted by that state an operating license, and renewing it. Quote: Back then I assume it was pump first and then pay? It would have been interesting to see what happened if you pumped your gas and only had a $50 bill to pay. What do you mean back then? Now it is still pump before you pay. I never had a problem spending several rolls of halves at the gas station, and sometimes it is BEFORE pumping that I give them the dollars/halves as payment. Now more places WANT you to pump before you pay, that way you can pay AT the pump with a card of some sort and don't take up the time of the cashier/attendant/whatever they are called now. Gives them more time to take those rolls of coins when someone like me comes along and pays with them.
Edited by shadz 09/23/2015 08:39 am
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 United States
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Quote: State law requires banks to accept ANY rolled coins as a deposit. Which state and which law. Can you site it?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Nope, so wrong. Actually it is right on. Legal Tender has nothing to do with deposits, it only applies to debts. While I have never heard of any state laws requiring coins to be accepted as a deposit, if there are such laws then they might use the term legal tender to describe the coins. It is only borrowing a phrase. Again, assuming you are correct in your assertion that a bank must, in certain unnamed states, accept coins for deposit, that would apply only to customers of that bank and not require the bank to return USC for the coins.
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I wasnt talking about legal tender, but your comment that banks can refuse coins. That is not always true, and will all things you msut check state and local laws.
I can't cite the law, I was told by more than one bank that it was the case. So the local and state laws still have sway over what a bank can r cannot, and MUST do. I doubt my bank teller would know exactly what law, section, subparanoid it would be. That is jsut why she doesn't mind getting me coins because I don't try to bring them back, while others have been denied even if they are account holder, and do not have a business account.
Also it seems the dollar coin isn't considered a dollar cause something about, "coins (anything under $1) if rolled must be taken as a deposit." So she thinks they have to take unrolled $1 coins as well, but she is clear that they must take rolled coins as deposits.
I am sure one of the legal eagles around here would have better luck finding the banking laws than me, I wouldn't even know where to look for them!
Still wish I could dump pennies in a coin counter other than Coinstar, but oh well, they are the only ones I have problems with in larger quantities now, so I no longer get 4 boxes at a time of them.
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