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100 Point Grading

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 Posted 10/15/2005  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Stujoe

For the record, I don't think they plan on going to a 100 point system.




I agree. I think the idea of it is a psyops game as I mentioned at the beginning of the thread. It's intended to make people despise gradflation and desire reform.

IMO, "100 point grading" is setting the stage for "standard grading" between the major TPGs. And the "standards" will come from someone else, an association/trade organization, whatever, who the TPGs will "humbly" submit to in the interest of the hobby. In this way they admit nothing. They are not changing because their grading could suck-start a Harley Davidson, no, no, no, they are changing because they are "conforming" they are "complying" with the wishes of collectors.

Of course this does mean that the "reformed" standards require a new slab to denote their compliance. And we all know what that means.
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 Posted 10/16/2005  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by catman

If people can't tell the difference between one point on the 70 point system how would they ever manage on a 100 point system.?

catman



Well Steve, I got to thinking that this just may be the reason some of them think it's such a good idea. Keep them guessing!
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 Posted 10/17/2005  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adobero1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)
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 Posted 10/17/2005  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by adobero1

No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)



Adobero1, now you got me thinking (always a dangerous situation). I wonder if a computer-driven scanner machine could be devised which would be able to measure the difference between, say, MS-70 and MS-71 or MS-99 and MS-100. It would take the subjectivity out of coin grading and, presuming ALL the TPGs used the same scanner, would also remove grading inconsistencies.

I'm certain I'm not the first to come up with this idea... But I'm also not certain if such a machine can be practically developed since the present grading system, especially between Mint State grades is based on appearance to the human eye.

Fred

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 Posted 10/17/2005  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you use a laser you could go to MS 1000
why stop at 100
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 Posted 10/17/2005  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

quote:
Originally posted by adobero1

No human eye could tell a difference between MS 100 and MS 99. Any service that would claim to be able to do that would lose all credibility. That's adding almost one half again as many points to the system. I would hope at that point people would finally stop submitting coins!(except maybe for certification as to authenticity, which the original ANACS was created for)



Adobero1, now you got me thinking (always a dangerous situation). I wonder if a computer-driven scanner machine could be devised which would be able to measure the difference between, say, MS-70 and MS-71 or MS-99 and MS-100. It would take the subjectivity out of coin grading and, presuming ALL the TPGs used the same scanner, would also remove grading inconsistencies.

I'm certain I'm not the first to come up with this idea... But I'm also not certain if such a machine can be practically developed since the present grading system, especially between Mint State grades is based on appearance to the human eye.

Fred

In fact Fred we had a small discussion about this subject here already, see: https://goccf.com/t/2149&SearchTerm...uter,grading
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Originally posted by CiScO

In fact Fred we had a small discussion about this subject here already, see: https://goccf.com/t/2149&SearchTerm...uter,grading



I completely missed that one. It came and went on 7 Sep which was the day I headed off for Katrina. Good discussion, however. I think it's doable, but the program parameters would have to be inserted very carefully and there'd be a lot of debugging to do. And it would meet a lot of resistance from collectors, dealers, and TPGs since it would completely change the hobby and industry. But all it would take is time and money; I think the technology is here.

Fred

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