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PCGS Reinforces Rules For Suspected "Doctored" Coins

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January 28, 2008

(Santa ANA, California) - Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) is advising its authorized dealers of the existing terms and policies regarding submission of so-called "doctored" coins, and is reinforcing the application of those policies.

"We're seeing more and more coin doctoring than we've ever seen, and the methods used to alter the coins are more and more sophisticated," said Ron Guth, President of PCGS, a division of Collectors Universe, Inc. (NASDAQ: CLCT).

"We are constantly trying to keep up with new and sophisticated techniques, such as micro surgery with lasers and various chemical treatments to alter the surfaces of coins. You name it, and the coin doctors are trying it. We're giving public notice to those who alter coins that we're clamping down on them."

Guth said PCGS graders are frequently updated on what to watch for when analyzing coins submitted for certification. He compares the continuing education to combat coin doctoring and counterfeiting to anti-virus software makers who are on constant vigil against computer hackers and new viruses.

In addition to close examination and scrutiny by PCGS graders, coins suspected of tampering in violation of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Section 331, may be submitted by PCGS to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for review to determine if U.S. law has been violated. PCGS will cooperate fully if the FBI believes there is sufficient information to warrant an investigation.

"We are fighting the coin doctors who are trying to take advantage of the marketplace, deceive the public and perhaps pursue our money back guarantee."

PCGS is reminding dealers of the specific language of their Authorized Dealer Agreement regarding impaired or altered coins. The contract states in part:

Dealer shall not "doctor" coins or knowingly submit to PCGS coins which have been "doctored". Coin "doctoring" involves the alteration of the appearance of a coin to attempt to increase its value, and may involve, among other things, adding substances to coins (such as, among other things, putty, wax, facial oils, petroleum jelly or varnish); treating coins with chemicals (such as, among other things, potash, sulfur, cyanide, iodine or bleach); heat treating coins in any way to alter their appearance; re-matting ("skinning") proof gold; "tapping" and "spooning" ( i.e., physically moving surface metal to hide marks); filing rim nicks; or repairing coins (re-tooling metal).

Dealer and PCGS agree that PCGS would suffer irreparable damages if Dealer were to engage in coin "doctoring" and that PCGS shall be entitled to not only compensatory damage but also preliminary and final injunctive relief for any breach of Dealer's obligation not to "doctor" coins or knowingly to submit "doctored" coins to PCGS. Dealer agrees that in the event PCGS incurs any attorney fees and/or cost and expenses as a result of said "doctoring," including but not limited to investigating claims of alleged "doctoring," and engaging in legal proceedings with Dealer or any third party relating to same, PCGS shall be entitled to reimbursement of such fees and costs from Dealer.

"PCGS Authorized Dealers are encouraged to review and understand the dealer agreement and to understand the scope and application of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Section 331," said Guth.

Title 18, Section 331, involves the mutilation, diminution and falsification of coins, and states:

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or

Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished falsified, scaled, or lightened; Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

For additional information about PCGS, visit online at https://www.PCGS.com, or by e-mail at info@PCGS.com.
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quote:
"We're seeing more and more coin doctoring than we've ever seen, and the methods used to alter the coins are more and more sophisticated,"


I think it's an inevitable result of current pricing, particularly in MS grades, where a minute grading step upwards can mean thousands of dollars.

Where will this madness end?
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People might (might) start to notice if someone actually gets arrested.

I'll try to stay positive while remembering that admitting you have a problem is the 1st step.
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I often wonder just how enforceable this law is when you consider that there are cent flattening machines at most every national park or public sight. I think there are two of them in the gift shop at Gettysburg. And think how many coins the C & O Railroad has destroyed.

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Elongated cents are perfectly legal. You can alter, mutilate, or destroy US coinage as long as the intent is not fraudulent, i.e. you can remove the entire side of a coin and engrave it for a love token or you can smash 'em in an elongator, but don't try to add a D to that 1916 Merc
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I know that ANACS will mark a coin as cleaned, scratched, etc. but does PCGS just send you the coin back ungraded if it is in the above condition, does it still charge for its services even if it does not grade the coin. Sorry, if I am off topic, just curious about this as I have not seen a PCGS coin with cleaned on the holder.
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but does PCGS just send you the coin back ungraded if it is in the above condition, does it still charge for its services even if it does not grade the coin.


Yes, you still pay, because they still had to invest the time into determining the condition of the coin. That's usually more difficult, timewise, than simply grading it. It comes back in a little flip with the reason for the denial - Altered Surfaces, Artificial Color, etc.
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PCGS may be seeing more coin doctoring than ever before, but, cynic that I am, I can also see that it is to their benefit to say that and scare the coin-buying public. The end result is that more and more people are afraid to trust their own eyes, and will be more and more willing to pay a premium for a PCGS graded coin.

Our hobby is known as the hobby of Kings, and soon only kings will be able to afford collecting any key date, semi-key date and high grade coins.
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I agree with the previous poster. I believe that They may be scaring the public. Don't get me wrong I respect PCGS and have had quite a few coins graded by them. They are strict, very strict. They have sent coins back to me that have been"altered" or "cleaned" and for the life of me I could not find a thing wrong with the coin. However I have started to send a few coins to ANACS since you don't have to join a membership. I have been impressed w/ their grading as well, but more importantly they are authenticating the coin. I don't believe that ANACS will slab a counterfeit coin. However I have quite a few coins that I just like despite a rim ding or being cleaned.
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No respectable TPG would slab a counterfiet coin because they're illegal to own, make, or have on your person. Heck, it's illegal to have anything to do with them.
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It will all stop when you stop asking some private company to value your coins for you.
Slabs are the biggest racket in US Numismatics
If you can't value your own coins then you should'nt be collecting.
Get real.
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C'mon Muck, ya really wanna see prices drop like that?
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They would only drop if they have been falsely inflated.
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quote:
C'mon Muck, ya really wanna see prices drop like that?

I don't know about Muck, but I wouldn't mind if they plummeted. That way I could buy more.
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