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 Posted 05/18/2017  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We call it a die transfer fake. Some sophisticated fakes out of China have been showing up (Classic US coins, German Thalers, among others) using genuine coins as a host so that all the details look, for the most part, legit. The ONLY tell are "sister" marks, which I highlighted in your examples above, these are identical marks that should not exist on pairs or groups of coins. In an Ancient coin, it is even less likely there should be any sister marks given the complete lack of consistency in everything about the minting process at that time. This is a dirty business indeed, and to be quite frank, if this is the level of quality fakes in ancients, I may just stop buying them altogether. Unlike with more modern coins, where you have die studies and can root out fakes such as these, with ancients, it is nigh impossible to do that. This seller made a mistake in that they listed all the fakes at once, giving collectors an opportunity to see the obvious sister marks that just shouldn't exist. Should have run these out one at a time over a period of months. Greed I suppose. Or, the seller honestly has no idea, or doesn't ask questions of the source/supplier.
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 Posted 05/18/2017  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great info...thanks. I think this dealer, Z, does know exactly what's going on with this set. He's been handling thousands of legit coins for years. He's no novice.
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Have a look at the two Orodes I drachm he recently added. They also seem to come from the same die pair with very similar wear patterns. I am not a student of this series and cannot say how often double die matches occur but something doesn't smell right with the matching wear patterns.
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 Posted 05/18/2017  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They have all disappeared.
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 Posted 05/18/2017  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They have all disappeared.


Yes, Zach Beasley (VCoins management) emailed me this morning to let me know that the dealer was asked, by Zach, to remove the coins.

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 Posted 05/18/2017  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work Bob!
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The ''A'' is back!!

And the ''Z'' never really left!
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The ''A'' is back!!


Yes, I too saw his latest batch of reds (and similar hues). They certainly stood out in the crowd (of new coins from all dealers). You never have to look at dealers' names to know which coins are his.
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