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Specimen Or Not, Wedding Set Coins

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 Posted 02/14/2016  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cockatoo_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right trout, fields are granular on the 2016 out of design vs strike though. Apparently gives better lustre than the polished fields and more fitting with the older designs. The 2016 sets were double struck on a large automated press in the proof room using the standard UNC planchets, the wedding sets were struck on the hand presses they use for the proofs and using proof blanks. Talking to a press operator on saturday were struck 4 times, exactly the same as proofs just unfrosted dies. So neither of these coins should be compared to business strikes as they are not in the same league and has made looking for gems in mint bags pretty much a waste of time.
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the wedding sets were struck on the hand presses they use for the proofs and using proof blanks. Talking to a press operator on saturday were struck 4 times, exactly the same as proofs just unfrosted dies. So neither of these coins should be compared to business strikes as they are not in the same league



This is why I am trying my level best to convince PCGS to grade and attribute the Wedding Set coins accordingly.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice when the train finally comes in isn't it?
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Nice when the train finally comes in isn't it?


Yes there is a lot of personal satisfaction when you achieve something that you have been striving after for after so long.
This is Not only a win for me personally, It is also a win for All Australian collectors who now can finally get their Wedding set coins graded and attributed accurately.
I think NGC have done a wonderful job here and they have bucked the trend of PCGS's of denying the existence of these as Specimens
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Great work and persistence trout ,
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Trout, now that you have examples graded as SP by NGC you can stir the pot at PCGS by sending a slabbed example to PCGS and request a crossover as SP.
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Trout, now that you have examples graded as SP by NGC you can stir the pot at PCGS by sending a slabbed example to PCGS and request a crossover as SP.


PCGS can kiss my Butt, they had every chance in the world to get this right and they flatly refused.
Anyway why would I bother with a crossover ?
The coins are in a "Righteous" slab as they are
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I have asked NGC to create a competitive set for the Wedding set coins 2002-2009 so that I and other collectors can add their coins to it.
This is the same thing as the PCGS set registry.
As PCGS won't attribute the Wedding Set coins as Specimens because these coins are used by collectors to add high grade coins that are not available in any other form to their Decimal set registries at PCGS.
It's a pretty dodgy state of affairs when a TPG attributes a coin to suit the market instead of attributing accurately
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You are a formidable proponent for Australian Numismatics, Trout. I have you, it seems, to thank for such a beautiful coin graded correctly! :-)

2004 20c (large head/Pointy A)

This is graded by NGC as SP69

A truly spectacular coin and a new favourite purchase.



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I am glad you like the coin
Unless you have actually seen these Wedding set coins "In Hand" you will find it hard to appreciate just how nice they are.
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I completely agree, Trout. I bought that one on ebay. Couldn't resist. It looked so nice I had to see it in person. I have shown this coin to a few family members who have no interest in coins and they were a little mesmerized.
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I have just finished reading this thread. I have always thought the Wedding Sets to be undervalued and have collected a number of them.

I was also reminded of the time I was at the mint and a couple of parents wanted to buy their son or daughter a Wedding Set for their upcoming marriage. The guy behind the counter commented that Wedding Set were Proof coins and would make a great gift. This was in the days before they were actually changed to Proof Sets. I couldn't help myself and advised him that they were actually Specimen and not Proof. His reply was that he worked at the mint and knew what he was talking about. I was wrong. They were Proof. I never forgot that. What an idiot LOL. Incidentally, the parents went away confused without purchasing anything.
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 Posted 12/14/2023  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crab eater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just found this coin on ebay, thought you might be interested trout1105.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/186193705860
Must have been graded recently ?
PCGS have come to their senses?
This is also listed from the same seller.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/176077152564?tmp=no
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