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1964-D Jefferson Nickel - Obverse Delamination

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Found today while CRH ... appreciate your experts opinions (hopeful confirmation) on the planchet error ...

The base coin is well preserved for a 52 year old Jefferson ... lots of remaining luster and despite the weak strike likely is AU in grade.

Following photo shows the delamination ... occupies the obverse 9pm field and has continued to take off portions of Jefferson portrait face up to his hairline.

1964-D-Jefferson-Nickel---Obverse-Delamination

The delamination continues slightly into Jefferson collar/jacket.

Reverse is completely normal ... although not fully struck up.

1964-D-Jefferson-Nickel---Obverse-Delamination

I'd appreciate any input that supports or contradicts my interpretation of this coin ... all input welcomed and encouraged.

David
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Looks to me more like it was Struck Through Grease. With a lamination you should see a slight pit (compared to the rest of the coin) from where the metal used to be. This has a lot more of the features a Greaser has. Pretty cool one too.

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To me it looks like a struck through debris like a fall out from a set of dropped letters. Note them under TRUST. One way to check is to see if the coin is normal weight or lighter. Lighter then it had a drop of acid on it, but if it is full weight, then I would lean towards the dropped letter debris.
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Appreciate the valued input on this coin ... as requested.

I suggest that you observe the remainder of the coins surface that is NOT impacted by the area in question ... notice the lack of 'chatter marks'.

IMHO ... the multiple chatter marks on the area of question ... coupled with the pit remaining on the obverse left field ... are indicative of my original speculation of a post mint delamination.

By my experience there is no way a Grease Filled Die could produce the planchet chatter issues shown below the issue ...

I'm sticking with obverse delamination so far ... willing to listen to reasoned ideas why I should move on.

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Well it is not just grease, but sometimes lint and sand leaving behind a rough surface. Under the RU looks like a US in that area. But if it were a dropped letter issue, it would be incuse. But if the dropped letters were breaking down in shape it might leave what we are seeing on your coin.
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Chatter marks:
http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...grease&id=33
Chatter marks:
https://goccf.com/t/176349
And more Chatter marks:
http://minterrornews.com/6_20081007.jpg

Grease leaves some weird patterns. When the grease does not fill a device and instead gets trapped in a flat area it has no where to go and creates these weird patterns. (Grease can mean a number of things when the term " Struck Through Grease" is used. Often metal fragments are mixed in as well)

Coop: I'm not seeing what it would be a dropped filling of? There is something that looks like a 'U' under the 'R' in "TRUST" however, that is raised when it would be lower with a dropped filling.

EDIT: Yup, we were seeing the same thing Coop. I think we would need a better picture. Looks raised to me, and the S is distorted if it's there.
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