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1/2 Oz Reverse Gold Plated Inukshuk

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 Posted 04/01/2016  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP, I've never really followed the various NCLT issued by RCM included in their Mint Reports. That's a great example of half and half plated.

@ Money Penney, CoinCanuck94 or Panda, given the emphasis on the reverse gold plating of the Inukshuk issue, in what way does that compliment your existing NCLT collection?

I think it's helpful, especially for newer NCLT collectors, to share examples of how a particular new "first" release such as this can lead to an interesting collection theme by seeking out existing NCLT that they might not be otherwise aware of.
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 Posted 04/02/2016  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ummm I dont get the attraction, I mean is not a bad coin, but not great either. How many actual collectors will buy these?

1000 actual collectors and then 500 resellers/flippers buying 10 coins each or some other combination of figures? This has a recipe for disaster. Well nothing new then I guess in the world of NCLTs.



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 Posted 04/02/2016  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1000 actual collectors and then 500 resellers/flippers buying 10 coins each or some other combination of figures?


Using your hypothetical example:

"Hurry and buy, almost sold out!" 6,000 sold by RCM virtually overnight "Ching, ching" sales roll in. Issue is closed immediately, done, onward to the next month!

Or

As opposed to a 6,000 mintage let's say it's set higher at 10,000 instead. Nobody's pumping whatever the issue, it's a yawner, same 1000 collectors still buy it over the course of several months, no need to rush, proceeds slowly trickle over to RCM as it remains in the "new release" list until eventually it gets pulled. The unsold leftovers from the initial production run then get sold for a deep discount to dealers or melted at increased cost.

It would seem the role of flippers benefits RCM, a no-paid marketing dept who quickly moves their inventory. Howver it's the flippers who carry the risk, will their accumulations sell or not? Indeed, the odds are not in their favour. I'd expect flippers turn over just as quickly as people who pay an inflated price above issue.


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Well nothing new then I guess in the world of NCLTs.



Nope, nothing new.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well hey if there are 6000 actual collectors around the world that want this coin then thats great, that is a sign of a healthy collector market, I am all for that.

Markets change , some times for the worst, some times for the better, we could be into an upswing in the NCLT market "again" although these swings only last a year or two so it seems.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well hey if there are 6000 actual collectors around the world that want this coin then thats great, that is a sign of a healthy collector market, I am all for that.


This is the best.

And if some collectors / non-collectors thinking to resell their coin....well, this also not harm the market keeping it's alive and cycling.

But usually re-sellers sitting on the 5-10 coins and pushing them into the market....
I still remember nice guy here, who entered the hobby by managing to get 3 Glass Butterflies (when the artificial soldout crisis happened) and quickly flipped 2 of them for CAD 300 each. Not bad, from one side the guy liked this way of collecting , from other - gave mistaken feel, that way he could do forever, without any loss.
What was the end? As per him - both pre-sales have been cancelled, cause buyers bought coins for much less, when initial hype over.


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some members, as I see from the other side, smartly cancelling their multiple orders for Inukshuk coin, and this is very correct....there is already a flood of these coins on ebay.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinsplus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would not be surprised if some scrupulous buyer bought these coins and sold them as "GOLD COIN with SILVER PLATED inukshuk". No where on the this coin does it state, 1/2 oz of silver. The sellers would make a handsome profit on this coin if they were sold to uneducated coin or newbie metal buyers. If counterfeiters can make fake coins, they can easily make fake certificates of authenticity stating the coins are some sort of 14k gold with silver plating inukshuk. No need to make a fake coin when the Mint has created and done it for you.

I still remember when the Loonies came out in 1987, there were reports that the loonies and proof loonie, were being sold as gold coins.

Because there is no mention of the metal composition on this coin like other 1/2 oz silver coins, scrupulous buyers will have a field day with this one.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well hey if there are 6000 actual collectors around the world that want this coin then thats great, that is a sign of a healthy collector market, I am all for that.


Me too! However knowing that RCM undoubtedly employs various means of data mining to determine consumer behaviour, the Inukshuk is another example of a release that suggests to me the market is anything but healthy.

For one thing, lower priced NCLT has tradionally had the highest mintage. Makes sense, an affordable entrance to maximize attracting new collectors. Presently RCM is taking the opposite route - cheaper coins, lower mintage.....huh? A flippers paradise, reduction of cash outlay. But the problem is any new collectors who buy on the secondary market at $100 or more surely must notice the value of their purchase drop down, down, down shortly thereafter, even faster than those of us who buy at issue price. Exit.

Another thing, in a healthy market, if this coin was expected to be a hot release by RCM, they would have added $10 more in silver and priced it at $100. I'd think this Inukshuk wouldn't have sold very well, the theme is overdone. Instead flippers take on the $100 price risk of selling a 1/2 oz silver coin. Anything less, not worth it for them.

@ Coinsplus - I too recall the fiasco of those first "gold" loonies and that occured in the days prior to the popularity of ebay. What you mention, thinking about it, wouldn't surprise me either.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As was pointed on the other site, the Inukshuk coin started to crash. Being marked as "Sold Out" at the Mint, it just do not move on the secondary market.

People cancelling the RCM orders, and probably started to cancel ebay pre-sales....

The seller, who had (and still has) 10 coins, now splitted the listing of 10 and tries to sell by singles, setting price of CAD 200+ per each...of cause there is no result.

So....just another 1/2oz silver coin from RCM.
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 Posted 04/03/2016  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the other forum, ONE guy is saying the Inukshuk is dead. So based on this one guy, the coin is crashing already? What if one guy had said the Pysanka coin is dead in the beginning?

Its only a $60 coin, not a $600 coin so any loss will not be that great. Its not going to sell for $30 anytime soon. And if does sell for $30 eventually, collectors will get a bargain.

Also, if you are a coin collector and like it, why would you care if it drops it price. Again, it is not an expensive coin.
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04/03/2016 9:56 pm
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 Posted 04/03/2016  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2 days and 21 hours left on this ebay listing with 9 bidders and the Inuksuk at about 15% over the original RCM price point.
Is it dead? You be the judge! I think its way to early to make the call. Personally, I think it will do ok.
ebay item number:

262361559531
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 Posted 04/03/2016  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best reason anyone has to "like" this coin is to buy it, then sell it......

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 Posted 04/04/2016  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I shouldn't use the world "crashed" - yes, this inexpensive coin - nothing to crash here.

What I really meant, and this is true - crashed the idea of this coin as being a very popular / hot.
(We can observe these days very unattractive (just imo) coins series by RM, but very very hot)

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 Posted 04/04/2016  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sherwooddavid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They had 3 at CP in Halifax this morning and I ended up buying one.
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 Posted 04/04/2016  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add priorpence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I hate to be the odd man out here, but I have collected Inukshuk's for a long time now all shapes and sizes. I am happy with my 2013 edition and would be glad to add this to my collection.
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 Posted 04/04/2016  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well I hate to be the odd man out here, but I have collected Inukshuk's for a long time now all shapes and sizes. I am happy with my 2013 edition and would be glad to add this to my collection.


This is exactly what this coin great for - to enreach the collection of the dedicated to this theme collector.
And not just being grabbed for assumingly be popular in the future.

Congrats for new item, Priorpence
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