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Questions About Buying And Cleaning Coins.

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Hello, First post.

I have collected a few US coins on and off but am much more intrigued by the ancient world. I have purchased a few coins but am interested in the possibilities of buying uncleaned coins. A few questions.

1. What's the best place to buy them? Is ebay OK?
2. Is it best to purchase coins that are completely encrusted?
3. Are coins that are already showing detail likely partially cleaned and picked through for more valuable coins?
4. Anybody ever find anything truly interesting and/or valuable?
5. Do lots usually consist of a single metal or can they be mixed?

Thanks and if there is a post related to this forgive me. I ran a few searches but did not find anything.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thunderpaste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finding some other posts that are helpful but any current info is appreciated.
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I would recommend V-coins as a good place to buy. All the dealers are reputable and if there is a problem the v-coins support are quite good at resolving any issues.

ebay you might find some better bargains, but you do risk much more... in terms of counterfeit goods or mis-described etc.

Coins that are encrusted might yield some decent rewards, but you need much luck to uncover really beautiful coins that are not common Roman bronzes.

You never really know if the lots have been picked through... only if you are recommended a decent source to buy from...

You can get lucky... but I tried a sample of 20 coins and out of 20 I kept none. None were what I consider good enough for my collection...

You can find silver once in a while in lots which are mostly bronze but there are far more bronze coins floating around than silver (if you are talking Romans...)
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 Posted 04/01/2016  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO buying un-cleaned coins are not worth the money. Years ago I bought large lots of un-cleaned coins, back than they were cheap so it was worth it. Out of a lot of say 1000 coins you would expect to see 100 coins that are just complete junk and uncleanable, at least 100 coins were culls with some detail. Out of the remaining 800 coins most would turn out to be decent and attributable and a hand full or so might turn out to be in a higher grade. Out of all the thousands of coins I only found three silver coins.

There are however dealers on V-coins that sell high quality lots of uncleaned coins and dirty Old Coins also has some nice lots. http://www.dirtyoldcoins.com/shop/U...n-Coins.html
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Buying encrusted or "unsorted" lots will almost never result in much of value. Usually you end up with a lot of frustration trying to clean them and ending up with corroded junk that is difficult to authenticate.

For the "few dollars" spent on those type of "treasure" hunts you will be happier 99.7% of the time in buying a nice coin with the funds you would put toward uncleaned.

I'll put it this way. If you buy a nice $35-$50 Roman coin that you love, and there are plenty of nice ones available in that price range, you can be sure you would not find that nice of a coin by spending several HUNDRED dollars on uncleaned lots.

Buy what you love right off the bat and you will always be happier because each time you look at those coins you are proud of your collecting accomplishments.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thunderpaste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. This sort of confirms my hunches but I will still probably dabble a bit just for fun. I agree that the few higher quality coins I have collected thus far are a joy to look at.
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Uncleaned coins are great fun to clean and identify. 99% of the time your lot will cost more than what you'd be able to sell the coins for unless you get an amazing source, but it's a really good way to become familiar with the inscriptions on coins and the portraits. Buy a couple cheap ones showing some detail off of vcoins. They'll almost certainly be something out of the Constantinian dynasty but you'll be able to see if you actually enjoy the act of cleaning them or not.
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I have found some quite good things in uncleaned lots, but usually to find that stuff you need to spot it in the listing. I recommend ebay as the best place as some detectorists sell direct on there and thats the only way you'll get unpicked lots (some larger sellers will 'seed' the lots to make them look unpicked, watch for that).

Most coins come out of the ground with some detail showing so when you look at uncleaned lots you can judge what the odds of something good being in there is. If you actually want to find something good (as opposed to just buying to enjoy the cleaning and IDing process), you either need to learn to spot rarities and the coins associated with them or learn a really niche area and keep an eye open for that stuff. The best advice I can give you here is to look out for recognisable emperors that anyone who knows what they're doing would filter out.

Coins in high grade and uncleaned can render some profit, but the amount of work that goes in makes it a poor decision fiscally and stockists of high grade uncleaned coins will have removed anything rare or valuable.
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1. What's the best place to buy them? Is ebay OK?

ebay is a terrible place to buy "uncleaned" coins. "Uncleaned" does not mean "unsearched". People who make a living out of this are usually pretty good at figuring out which coins are likely to clean up well, and which are not. They take the "good ones" and clean them themselves, dumping the rest back onto ebay. By the time you get to them, they've probably already been through and picked over by half a dozen people. A randomly selected lot on ebay is likely to be a bagful of slugs, that will never clean up no matter how skilful you are.

There are a lot of shysters on ebay. Beware of anyone who boasts of glowing "I FOUND GOLD!" testimonials. They did not "find gold", in the sense of there being a gold coin in their lot the seller was unaware of. These sellers are not stupid and know what an actual uncleaned gold coin looks like. What the buyer actually "found" was either a tiny 17th century Indian gold fanam the seller salted into their lot, or a brass coin that "looked like gold" when cleaned up.

It would be far better to buy from a reputable dealer, some of which have been mentioned above by others.

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2. Is it best to purchase coins that are completely encrusted?

Related to answer 1; some "uncleaned" are actually "cleaned enough to know roughly what they are". If a coin is completely encrusted, it's either because it's obvious what it is even through the crust, or because it's obviously a slug.

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3. Are coins that are already showing detail likely partially cleaned and picked through for more valuable coins?

Yes. See previous answers.

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4. Anybody ever find anything truly interesting and/or valuable?

Of course. Even the best cleaners and spotters can throw away a "slug" that not only actually cleans up rather nicely, but is rather rare and valuable. It's just not very likely.

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5. Do lots usually consist of a single metal or can they be mixed?

In ancient times, "the coinage" was not treated as a single monetary system with interchangeable parts, as a modern monetary system is. Copper, silver and gold coins had different purposes and were used by different people for doing different things at different times. Thus, the coin types were usually carried and stored separately and, when lost, were lost separately. Rarely do coin hoards turn up that are mixtures of copper, silver and gold coins. If you find sellers of uncleaned coins selling bags of mixtures of metals, you can be sure they came from numerous different hoards.

Personally, I don't clean uncleaned coins. I know I do not have the necessary patience to do the coins the justice they would deserve. Plus, I'm afraid my knowledge of chemistry, combined with my impatience, would tempt me to experiment with finding chemical "shortcuts" that would end up doing far more damage.

Also, I generally don't like gambling, and buying uncleaned coins is a kind of numismatic lottery. I'd much rather pay a little extra, for a properly cleaned coin for which I already know (or can easily find out) everything about it.
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Thank you everyone for the great responses. Much appreciated:)
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