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 Posted 03/11/2008  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well believe in God or not maybe the fact that it is on A Lot of the buildings in DC would be considered unconstitutional too! Maybe they should grout that in too
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03/11/2008 12:43 am
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I think it is why the money is more valuable than other foreign countries

Many of which also have similar expressions of faith on them.

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Well believe in God or not maybe the fact that it is on A Lot of the buildings in DC would be considered unconstitutional too! Maybe they should grout that in too

Sounds like a good idea to me.
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 Posted 03/12/2008  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gbchaosmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If somebody handed me 20 dollars worth of silver, I personally wouldn't give it back and say "Sorry, I'll only take real money".

LOL just carl!
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03/12/2008 5:43 pm
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Wow, I have been away for a while from this forum. I looked today ,and I never imagined that my post would bring such responses--some which are , in my opinion, sad. I know it was only a quote from a former President "Since when has the Constitution ever mattered"--well, since everyone is putting their 2 cents in about "IN GOD WE TRUST". Here I go. The Constitution "mattered" to my dad who brought home two Purple Hearts and a bronze star -one from WWII and the other from Korea-while a US Marine. It mattered to both my brothers who fought in Vietnam, and it mattered to both my sons who have served in the Navy and Marines.IT matters to me and my whole family. And yes, we believe and trust in God,too. I want to see it remain on the coins.

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 Posted 04/02/2008  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeb907 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hahaha. wow. "Dont except this money b/c a couple of words arent written on it" wow, thats ridiculous in my opinion.
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 Posted 04/02/2008  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hugemistake2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Wow, I have been away for a while from this forum. I looked today ,and I never imagined that my post would bring such responses--some which are , in my opinion, sad. I know it was only a quote from a former President "Since when has the Constitution ever mattered"--well, since everyone is putting their 2 cents in about "IN GOD WE TRUST". Here I go. The Constitution "mattered" to my dad who brought home two Purple Hearts and a bronze star -one from WWII and the other from Korea-while a US Marine. It mattered to both my brothers who fought in Vietnam, and it mattered to both my sons who have served in the Navy and Marines.IT matters to me and my whole family. And yes, we believe and trust in God,too. I want to see it remain on the coins.
This is odd...the Constitution that expressly prohibits the government from establishing religion matters to you, but yet you still believe the phrase should remain on our money?

You say that you believe in God, but do all Americans believe in God? The motto is "In God We Trust." Being a national motto, that "we" should encompass all Americans, however it doesn't. What you have is a majority of people speaking for all. Pretend that Muslims were a majority in this country: would you accept "In Allah We Trust" on our coins? Would you say "Oh, well they're the majority...so that's the way it is"?

When considering the motto, you have to look pas the "me" perspective. "I believe strongly in God, therefore the motto should stay." Just like burning the American flag would offend most Americans, you have to look past that and see the bigger picture.

Regardless, even if the First Amendment didn't exist, the motto STILL would be unconstitutional, as nowhere in the Consitution is the federal government given the authority to declare the existence of a supreme being. Because this power is not granted to the federal government, nor expressly prohibited to the states, it would be solely in the power of individual states to declare the existence of a supreme being (that is the Tenth Amendment). The federal government would still have no right to declare such a motto.

Also, someone else pointed out that other countries have religious mottos on their coins. This is moot as other countries have different constitutions.
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 Posted 04/02/2008  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gussyboy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting...and what is the "bigger picture" that I'm not seeing when individuals burn my US flag? And as far as the motto staying on the coins, it is my opinion, just like your post was only your opinion, right?

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 Posted 04/02/2008  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hugemistake2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right...it's your opinion, but you need to back it up with reasons. Regarding seeing the bigger picture of burning the U.S. flag, I meant that there are many people who would advocate legislating a ban on flag burning. Although it personally offends them, is it the right thing to do? No, because in America you have the freedom to protest, no matter how offensive your speech may be. This is a core, fundamental liberty of the United States. (Not that I am ascribing any of this to you personally, I was just using it as an example.)

Your opinion seems to be based on you saying something like: "I am religious, therefore the motto should stay," or "The motto suits me, therefore it suits everyone." However, it is inherently un-American to legislate the beliefs of the people. To quote Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." (West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 319 U.S. 624 [1943])

To see the bigger picture in this case would mean to acknowledge that although you personally agree with the message of the motto, the motto itself is not right for the United States. Although perhaps you see a way in which having the motto is seeing the bigger picture, that is, it represents our country in a way that is inclusive of all and constitutional? In my opinion however, it does not.

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04/02/2008 9:53 pm
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Right...it's your opinion, but you need to back it up with reasons.


Absolutely nowhere in the Constitution does it state my opinions must be backed up with reasons.

If I give you my opinion without lot of prose, all it means is that's what I believe and either...

A. I don't care if you agree with my opinion.... or

2. I'm being polite and not trying to shove my opinion down your throat.

We're not talking about how a die clash happens where there are cut and dry facts. We're talking about beliefs and no one has to prove their beliefs to me ever and I don't have to prove mine to you. Nor would it be important to me to do so.
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 Posted 04/02/2008  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hugemistake2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Absolutely nowhere in the Constitution does it state my opinions must be backed up with reasons.
Maybe you think you're being clever, but the Constitution only mandates how the government must be run, not an Internet forum.

An opinion is an opinion, but some opinions are more valid than others. I have explained very thoroughly exactly why I believe what I believe, gussyboy has only backed up his opinion by saying "I agree with the motto." Like I tried to explain in my previous post, there should be more to forming an opinion on this issue than whether you personally agree with the motto or not.

If gussyboy has no interest in participating in this debate, he can choose not to respond to my post, or can respectfully say, "Let's agree to disagree and end it at that." At which point, I would. I'm not attacking anyone.


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Maybe you think you're being clever, but the Constitution only mandates how the government must be run, not an Internet forum.


No, I know I'm clever.

This thread needs to lighten up some. There's no need to bring up some of the things that have been brought up, all it does it start off-topic debates which will not be tolerated. We're here to discuss coins. Stick to the topic at hand and all will be good.

There, no beating around the bush that time.
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 Posted 06/01/2008  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnAP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
High 5's to bobby, and to gussyboy! Star spangled banner and rockets red glare.......
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 Posted 06/02/2008  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgantype to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, let me settle it!

Let's change the motto to "In a supreme being we trust, maybe, if there is one." On the obverse and on the reverse "in ______ we trust" and we can let each individual fill in their own blank.

Or, how about Liberty, Schmiberty, send em to Gitmo!
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 Posted 06/02/2008  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
all our money is made by god? but I don't mind IGWT being there but their is apart of the constitution that has said the is division from church & state.

As its therefore no one in FED/BEB read that part of the constitution?
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06/02/2008 06:20 am
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 Posted 06/02/2008  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add florida to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These people who boycott the dollar because they're too much of an idiot to look at the coin as a whole are probably the same types of morons who come into a gas station and don't even remember what pump they're on when there are two large numbers, one on the pump itself at eye level and another up on the top part of the pump.

I've worked in customer service for 7 years so far and this country is full of morons....or at least 80%. I went to buy something with $10 in dollar coins (SBAs and Sacs) the other day and the clerk thought they were half dollars. Dee-dee DEEE!
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