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Emails Saying Don't Accept New Dollar Coin!

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 Posted 06/03/2008  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
I am pretty sure the phrase isn't unconstitutional.

1. The Constitution gives Congress the right to coin money and determine the alloy/weight.

2. Federal Reserve Notes are IOU issued by a bank that is for all practical reasons owned by the U.S. Government (Profits go to the U.S Treasury and the leadership is appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress.

Therefore an act of Congress could put any phrase on the coins (power to coin money). The IOUs issued by the Federal Reserve bank are just that IOUs. You can write anything on any IOUs you issue too just so you agree to the amount of repayment and authorize it (Fed Notes do this). The placement of the phrase doesn't make it a national religion or force that religion on anyone. Just like having a President on the coins doesn't make you think that President was a good President. There is no law saying you must take U.S. money for anything over than public and private debts (Coinage Act of 1965). You are free to demand gold, silver, or whatever w/o the phrase for anything you sell. The purchaser might refuse and go to someone else though. You take U.S. currency under you own free will.


All of this said. The coins have it, so the people sending the emails are stupid.

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 Posted 06/03/2008  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
The only way it will change will be when/if Christianity and their influence groups begin to fade away.....Liberalism has a slight majority in recent years, but like it or not, faith and faith groups will be strong and powerful in politics and communities for quite some time. Once the majority of the country decides to change this and use the reason for not celebrating/respecting ALL religions.....therefore emblazoning NONE on our currency, our politics (meaning photo-ops, support, influence, and money).....then it will be done. Now many millions see it as our "founding religion" and when the Pilgrims first came over fleeing religous persecution (hypocritical or not!)...
We, as a country, have been seriously evolving to the more Liberal view or direction anyway on so many things.... with that argument about removing The Ten Commandments posted in courtrooms and on pillars on city properties, (they're now gone)etc..etc...to prayer in schools, Gay Marriage now legal and much more widely accepted, to taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, to even saying it at all, disallowing things that used to be considered normal and American way of life, to Creationism vs. Evolution being taught or not taught, just simply the Country becoming more diverse instead of the old "Leave it to Beaver" days or the "Andy Griffith Show".......all of these arguments and opinions and changes really just show an evolving trend in that direction.......maybe not in our lifetime....but maybe so too......interesting to observe the journey though !........
The Country's political directions and human issues will eventually reflect the wishes of the masses, but politics doesn't necessarily follow very timely or closely...it takes time...majority rules.....but when it's 51% to 49% for the forseeable future......no changes will be "sudden" !
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 Posted 06/03/2008  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list

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IMHO, our nation has far more important issues to resolve.


Indeed


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All of this said. The coins have it, so the people sending the emails are stupid.


Well.. maybe uninformed (and unaware of the avenues of alleviating that) would be a better definition. Those who send those emails just aren't aware of ways to check these kinds of statements; whether it's snopes.com or going directly to the mint web address, they just blindly forward these mails thinking they are helping by informing their friends. They just need a little (gentle) education on fact-checking.

(Just quickly, I really don't enjoy the edge lettering, aesthetically speaking. It's just not as pretty as when it's on either coin face.)

Of course, there are those who are told where to check and still insist on looking like fools on their next "FWD: Bill Gates to award ONE MILLION DOLLARS to everyone who directly emails him! PER EMAIL!". And those are the ones I cherrypick from

(ow! OW! Mom, I'm just kidding!!)
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 Posted 06/03/2008  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnAP to your friends list
ohh H E double hockey sticks!! Now I gotta check FACTS TOO?

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 Posted 06/03/2008  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
LOL
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 Posted 06/03/2008  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnAP to your friends list
One of the biggest problems with plain fact checking:
VERY rarely do the "fact checkers" investigate the social, political, economic, and (dare I say it?) religous atmosphere involved at the time of the recording of the "facts". I'm sure there are plenty of excercises done all the time where a given "fact" is given, and interpretation would be totaly diferent from one time period to the next, say a "fact" from World War I era or earlier being interpreted in todays environment. Words are words, individuals give them meaning. With that said....I'm off to check more COIN facts!
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 Posted 06/04/2008  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
True .. and history is always written by the victors. With suitable government cover-ups to skew the facts even more.

When I mentioned fact checking, I was more or less constraining that to when we get these emails or when friends/family ask because they heard it somewhere. Of course, the places we reference could also be incorrect, but a little checking + a dash of common sense will (usually) get me the through the day without making me look like a complete moron.

I think.

Speaking of COIN facts (and reference material containing errors), do we have a running list anywhere of the errors/typos in the Coin World Almanac? I'll start a new topic for that question.

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 Posted 06/04/2008  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
My admittedly long winded speech above here, was only intended and related to the theology and thought process behind those who "just simply wouldn't use a coin that didn't have IGWT on it somewhere."........when, of course, it DID have it on the coin....but that wasn't MY point at all.
Their ignorance in that is one thing.....but to think about it and address the larger issue of having In God We Trust PERIOD on our currency. My speech was angled for those who want it to STAY on our currency as well as those who want it OFF of our currency.....
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 Posted 06/04/2008  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Well.. maybe uninformed (and unaware of the avenues of alleviating that) would be a better definition. Those who send those emails just aren't aware of ways to check these kinds of statements...

Ignorance is not the same as stupidity!

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Just quickly, I really don't enjoy the edge lettering, aesthetically speaking. It's just not as pretty as when it's on either coin face.
I really dislike having the date and mint-mark on the edge! I have not bought an album for the Presidential dollars yet because I cannot decide if I want to collect date and mint for the series. Why have two copies of each President if I cannot see the difference when they are in the album? Of course, that throws into question whether or not to get proofs as well!


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 Posted 06/04/2008  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
Jbuck.......

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Why have two copies of each President if I cannot see the difference when they are in the album?

.....That's why I'm only doing two albums...One nice one and one crappy paper folder, both, with uncirculated coins. to mayber later replace with the proofs........
The whole Presidential dollar thing, in any way shape or form, is going to be valued at very little anyway.......so really it's nothing more than a "fun" thing. Someone may come out with a "raised surface pod" album to put them in,.... but....it's really not worth it if ya ask me.
No matter, I'll keep just keep plugging away putting the best uncirculated Denver mint in my regular albums through the years.....
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 Posted 06/04/2008  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Someone may come out with a "raised surface pod" album to put them in
Or maybe special pages adapted from the NGC EdgeView™ holder? Or maybe an similar adapter ring to center a baby dollar into a large dollar hole?
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06/04/2008 4:24 pm
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 Posted 06/04/2008  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
Jbuck....
Or yeah...something like that........but in "album form".....

Regardless....I won't buy it for the reasons I mentioned.....unless ten years from now.....the value to these just skyrockets !!....and it snows in July in Kansas !..... then maybe ?
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 Posted 06/04/2008  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I am afraid if they did make an album like that, it would be too pricey. I am actually considering just getting the Dansco 7186 (Date Set) and filling it with the proofs. My circulated "finds" will just stay in tubes. Decisions!
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 Posted 06/04/2008  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mfry to your friends list
If anyone has any of those awful "godless" dollars, please send them to me at 401 Elm, Yukon, OK, Attn MF. I would be glad to kindly dispose of them ito my safe deposit box, where no one will ever be bothered by them again. Please help me rid the world of these shameful displays of numismatic agnosticism.
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 Posted 06/04/2008  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mfry to your friends list
Put this motto on coins instead, "Always Value Friendships Over Material Things," or "Friends Above Coins", something like that. "Let not base coinage spoil golden friendships." Or the Golden Rule, "Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself". "Let Not Thy Belief Conspire Against The Liberty of Another". "Choose Thy Gods Wisely". "Love is the Ultimate Religion". "Believest Thou So As To Never Insult Thy Intellect."
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