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 Posted 07/10/2017  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jackalope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hear Ya...Good luck
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 Posted 09/11/2017  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Thank you for being a great customer! Spend $125 or more and receive $10 off your order!"

I'm laughing hard today. This offer, sent via e-mail this morning, is a joke. Firstly $10? Secondly, it expires in less than two weeks.

I'm such a 'great customer' the mint unceremoniously booted me from the masters club this year and my rep dropped me without even a kiss on the cheek.

I understand; I didn't spent quite $1k on their poor offerings last year but I've spent 10s of thousands over the past years. I have the exact figure but frankly it's a bit disconcerting and I don't want to publish it. Anyway, out like yesterday's trash. Good luck Mint getting me to buy from you again, even with your huge 8% off restriction filled 'offer'.

/end rant

Ok so what about redemption codes? Were they sent out for the program year ended June 30/17? Maybe mine wasn't worth sending but it should have been close to that $10 promo code from today. Just curious.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was told - verbally - that the offer is 1.5% of your total sales at the mint, including rep assisted, and web orders. As I didn't make any, Mint Store purchases weren't discussed.

To date, I have received no confirmation via email.
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09/11/2017 12:48 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2017  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marcus21_69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got $25...not sure I'll be utilizing it though
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 Posted 09/11/2017  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got a "spend $750" and get "$100 off" promo code.

I guess it is based on how much you spend last year. In other words, those who spend more get bigger discount codes.

Also, no surprise those who spend very little in recent history lose their rep. The Mint wants to concentrate their resources on people who spend a lot of money each year.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Also, no surprise those who spend very little in recent history lose their rep. The Mint wants to concentrate their resources on people who spend a lot of money each year.


Absolutely. Awesome strategy to ensue your business fails long term.

Some examples of good CS:

One of the large coin dealers maintains my VIP status no matter what I happen to spend in one particular year. I've been a customer for 15 years.

My car dealers: have been the same for 18 years. I've stayed with two brands and they both keep in regular contact and offer special incentives regularly. I've bought multiple cars from each.

My realtor: Bought my house 20 years ago, yet he sends me a gift every holiday season and stays in contact.

My bank: Personal service and I've been with the same branch for over 20 years.

Same with insurance.

Treating your long term customers well is the way to build a business. The Mint? Not so much. lol. Not a big deal and I'm sure no one cares about my particular situation; it's just an observation.

Incidentally, if I include cash outlays, I did spend close to 2k in the 12 months between July 1/16 and June 30/17 but because the Star Trek delta was delivered 6 months after it was ordered, it didn't count for that period. Under the new system, I would have easily qualified.

I asked my rep if my MC status could be adjusted on an exception basis and he promised to 'look into it'. I have not heard from him since. lol. Que sera sera.

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09/11/2017 3:20 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2017  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add headlessone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect they have a misaligned incentive structure where customer service is concerned. So probably also in less visible offices. Some of the emails I've received (or not) are just boggling. I'd be offended if I thought they comprehended the offense. They really do like to ask for feedback, so my guess is they figure they have covered that base as fully as needs be. "You bet we're accountable!" Tough to prove them wrong: "My customers like x..." That's how it keeps working and poor work is still paid work. Apologists for bad service, which include diminished customer expectations, should make good execs there.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC-Ottawa

I remember the debate we had quite a while ago when we were discussing the purchase of the Star Trek Gold Delta Coin and how you did prove me wrong that it would count for the current cycle rather than the billing date. You even stated that you made MC status because of it.

So, I look at it this way: You received the benefits for that cycle and I don't know what redemption code you received and now you are asking RCM to double dip for you. You cannot have it both ways. Just my Two Cents and probably no one cares.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Getting a rep is highly overrated. Sometimes I wonder what I need him for since there is not a single coin I could not get elsewhere. In fact if I wanted the single 5 oz Voyageur, my rep would be of no use.

I probably lose my rep in a few years due to buying less and less coins each year but I won't missed him at all.

As for the tiered MC program, I have no trouble in the concept of "the more year you spend, the more benefits you get". Why should someone who spend very little in the program get the same benefit as someone who spend $2000, $5000, $10,000 or more.

The Canadian Coin and Currency company has a similar VIP program. You have to spend a certain amount each year to qualify for the same level next year.

Or the Hudson Bay Company, you need to spend $1200 a year to stay in the VIP program. Otherwise you drop down to a lower tier.
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09/11/2017 6:14 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2017  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@MoneyPenney

No single Voyageur Coins were offered by the RCM for the 2018 big coin series and it was only available via subscription. Apparently, their allocation was much less this time around.

I need my RCM rep. He gets me things that I was too stupid to see how fast they sold out. He always comes through for me and is super quick to respond and will do everything within his power to ensure that I am happy:)))))))

And that the more one spends, the more perks they should get. CC&C is great with the VIP programme as well.
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09/11/2017 6:17 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2017  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry New1954 but you're a little off. I did not make MC because of the Delta, though it did push me to a higher level (which in the end, gave me little added benefit).

I also didn't ask for any 'double dipping' on redemption codes. 1% or 1.5%? really who cares about 1% when you can save 40% buying two months later on most coins. As I said, I didn't receive any redemption code for last cycle.

Unless they changed the program, if you spend a certain amount (might be 10k) you receive a lifetime MC status. That's all I asked my rep to consider asking of the program managers. I never really expected him to successfully follow through but honestly, a simple e-mail to say he dropped me, and maybe a thanks for patronizing him for a few years would have been the civil thing to do.

No matter. I agree, with MP that rep program has virtually useless since it is infinitely easier and faster to order directly on-line. The only thing MC status has ever been good for IMO is slightly earlier access and free shipping.
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 Posted 09/11/2017  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC-Ottawa

Did you get a masters club wooden box instead or the $120.00?

Also, I am not that tech savy when it comes to cut and paste; however, the conversation we had with regards to the Star Trek Gold Delta is right on about what I said that you stated.

It was made very clear to me that you were right and I was wrong and that because of your gold star trek purchase you made MC status. I don't lie and I don't forget. My mind is extremely sharp. Go and find the topic on this discussion and you will see how strong minded you were on proving this point to me.

And, you are right about getting coins cheaper down the road; however, the ones that YOU want to "qualify" for are the hot ones that sell quickly and are released to the higher levels. I have been in the sales business for a long time. Does your insurance company keep giving you discounts? Maybe it is free! Does your car dealership offer you free oil changes and free maintenance? Maybe they are all free! Sorry, business is business and just because you may have spent in the past, does not mean that you are top priority. That is life and it truly is never fair.

I am not a "little off"! I am right on about the conversation and how you were determined to put me in my place on how wrong I was about status update. You literally stated that the "bar" had moved to make you MC.

Also, to get lifetime MC status, one needs to spend at least $10,000.00 annual only once!! I guess you never did that while many of us have and still do..
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09/11/2017 7:55 pm
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Sorry but I simply corrected you when you wrote something that was false or that you misunderstood. If you feel that is a 'debate' or 'putting you in your place', so be it.

I think I can always expect that when I state policy or 'facts' that are incorrect, those errors will be corrected by others. No malice, just simply striving to ensure anyone reading anything here is getting it right. That helps all of us and I appreciate it when someone corrects me when I'm wrong. I'd hate for someone to act on my error to their detriment.

The box/$130 code was a separate benefit and I was referencing the rebate program.

As to the rest. I could not care less but since you asked; yes my insurer gives me discounts based on various educational and professional associations as well as loyalty discounts that reduce rates and deductibles based on years I have held the policy, accident forgiveness etc. My car dealers give loyalty/brand discounts, service discount etc. etc. My preferred coin dealer gives discounts based on years of loyalty.

As I have said repeatedly, rewarding loyalty is good CS. So is timely communication. These are certainly not revelations in the sales and marketing world yet the Mint, IMO do neither very well.

The point about coins being cheaper later was simply that 1-2% discounts for spending thousands of dollars are not motivators for anyone with basic math skills and any market awareness.

Again the 10k was an example. Yes the Mint's criteria is 10k in a year, and again my opinion is that is not the best way to reward and develop long term customer loyalty. I personally would value and focus on customers that spends 500-1500 every year for 20 years than I would a few customers who spends 10K one year. Which is more likely to provide repeat business and sustainable growth? But such is the climate at the RCM. It's a short term operation where decision and policy are implemented to maximize short term gains as a direct result of the obvious political environment.

This conversation started because the Mint, in it's wisdom, decided to refer to me as 'a great customer' while rewarding me with a measly 8% discount, and revoke other benefits I've had for more than a decade. I found that a little humorous. My apology if others didn't catch the irony.
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 Posted 09/12/2017  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC-Ottawa

All I was trying to say is that you did receive the benefit of the $130.00 for that cycle where you bought the gold star trek delta coin even though it was not billed until the next cycle.

You are asking for the opportunity to retain your MC status for this cycle AGAIN when you did not earn it like everyone else would have had to. To me, that is asking for double dipping because of one purchase of the gold star trek coin. The RCM rep cannot go into the system and change your status to make you MC again just because YOU desire that to happen.

Computers have calculated your "spend" for this cycle and you have not met the criteria. On one hand you say that you can buy these coins cheaper in two months and yet you still want to have all the benefits of what others have spent to retain MC status just so you can get the advance releases to grab what you believe may be a "hot" coin.

Yes...you did "put me in my place" in that debate about status achievement in that topic on the gold star trek delta coin. You won and now you feel like you have been wronged by the Mint. If you had not bought that gold coin, you never would have received that $130.00 for that last cycle. So, RCM did reward you and now you want them to reward you again when your expenditure does not meet the criteria. I don't need an essay on customer service. My biggest clients always get my attention first especially when you are on commission.

And, your point that purchasing online is easier then why all the fuss about discussing how hurt you feel because you think that your rep dumped you when he probably had nothing to do with it. Maybe the computer system did.





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Both of you, guys, speak about same.
For our level, I think, for RCM everything clear:
spent X - got some perks and micro discounts
spent XX - got the rep (useless sometime)
but neither for X nor for XX will not be flowers for the Mother / Father Day and "Good Buy" mail from the Rep.

All proper, but wrong Customer Relationship, like mentioned CC-Ottawa.

...But if you spend XXXXXX annually, than your Rep will be you Guide in the Mint, whenever you'll come to visit. And don't forget:
"Night at the Mint party",
"Mint your NCLT coin event",
"Bath tube full of bullion"
"Mix and match COAs "
"Make the customer fool - Pranks at the Call Center event" - (this one really recommended, the customer angry and cut the conversation, by closing the call. Since the rep put conversation on speaker, everybody laughing loudly, after 5 minutes guaranteed the same customer calls back and by you request he/she forwarded back to your Rep and here the second circle begins. You can ask for recording on CD or audio-file)

which available only for the chosen ones.
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09/12/2017 10:46 am
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