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France 1871k 5 Francs Grade

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 Posted 09/11/2016  5:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MarcusCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey all,

I'm hoping someone could help me grade this coin, and offer any advice on its general condition.


France-1871k-5-Francs-Grade

France-1871k-5-Francs-Grade

Thank you in advance!
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 Posted 09/12/2016  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the Danish grading scale the coin is fine/very fine. In the US grading scale better. What is more important is all the - I believe in English it's called rim dings - that means problems around the edge. This makes it not very attractive for collectors.

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 Posted 09/13/2016  04:20 am  Show Profile   Check geraltttt82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add geraltttt82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
F+ in my opinion
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 Posted 09/15/2016  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MarcusCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These grades translate into what according to the American grading system?
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i would call this a VF to EF piece in american grading. as noted above the coin has a lot of rim damage, it also appears to be harshly cleaned.
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Thedollarman - you nailed it!
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VF to EF? I'd go with geraltttt82 and say F+. That is not only due to the rim damage but also because of all the marks and scratches.
Also there is a damaged R in Republique and the S in Francs that would rule out anything better in my opinion.
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Rim damage and scratches etc. do NOT influere on a given coins grading. !

- And please notice people in Northern Europe do NOT grade as they do in Canada and the US.
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VF-20 details
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VF to EF? I'd go with geraltttt82 and say F+. That is not only due to the rim damage but also because of all the marks and scratches.
Also there is a damaged R in Republique and the S in Francs that would rule out anything better in my opinion.


@potsdam, I am a strong believer in grading technically, not based on eye appeal or damage where you net grade to make up for distractions, I go solely on the wear that I see and than make a comment on the damage or problems etc. not trying to sound rude, I am just saying..i would love to know how net grading is treated in Germany though
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@thedollarman:

No worries. I just do not exactly understand what you mean by net grade.

Regarding grading in Germany: We have about 4 grades:

schön (s) - roughly equals fine
sehr schön (ss) - roughly equals very fine
vorzüglich (vz) - roughly equals extra fine to AU
Stempelglanz (stgl.) - should equal AU+ - BU

Here, everything is taken into account when it comes to grading a coin: Not only wear but also rim damage, scratches, alterations.

So I am wondering right now if any given coin could be MS 62 or something like that when it shows no wear at all but massive scratches and therefore here in Germany would for instance only be labeld ss (vf).

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 Posted 09/18/2016  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MarcusCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone!

I would have graded it EF based on wear
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I havent looked this coin up so don't know if it is a $1, $10, or a $100 coin. The weakness of the lettering in the headband is not readable (thinking of LIBERTY on Indian Head cents. Also the pearls at the base of the neck are incomplete.

I also don't know if this coin is often weakly struck.

But given the damage to the coin, (and not seeing the reverse) I wouldn't worry about a specific grade other than circulated, details (or damage) (which I realize isn't very numismatic)
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As far as I know US grading is taking into account rim nicks, scratches and other things when they grade. In Scandinavia we tell a given grade only from the amount of wear, and after this we tell the rim nicks etc. which of course influere on the value and the general look, but not the grade.
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