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My guess and this is just my opinion is that this was going on for a very long time and he was just the 'lugger' so to speak. My guess is that he only started being so sloppy and leaving such an obvious paper trail when extortion came into play. His actions and the evidence found in his safety deposit box seem to be the perfect plausible deniability and ammunition a lawyer would want to have him walk away and shift the focus to the mint.
The most obvious indicator of this and lets be series here is the fact hes going to Ottawa Gold Buyers and having 1) cheques issued 2) wiring money and 3) taking in pucks lol?
I say no way, and that there is a heck of a lot more Gold missing than what has been said and his attorney was protecting him
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Quote: Bullion dealers are required to comply with Money Laundering regulations which requires then to compkete disclosure documentation that includes full details of every customer transaction over $10,000 and submit the forms to the Goverment. I believe the form rule applies to cash transactions only. Cheques are considered a form of paper trail and sufficient for transaction tracking. The rule is no different than the one at border or the bank. Even as a business when I deposit in excess of 10k in cash into my business account, the teller has to fill in the info. If it consists of cheques or transfers, no such information is required.
Edited by TheCoinHunter 09/22/2016 10:34 am
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My guess and this is just my opinion is that this was going on for a very long time and he was just the 'lugger' so to speak. My guess is that he only started being so sloppy and leaving such an obvious paper trail when extortion came into play
Seems highly likely to me as well. This link contains a video of security footage. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mint-e...um-1.3082843So each time he set off the alarm as he passed through the security gate but the hand-held detector gave him a pass? Wouldn't it seem logical for security to suspect a malfunction of one of the two, given the hand-held didn't detect any cause for the gate alarm? Apparently not. And smuggling via body cavities is only a security risk at places such as prisons, border crossings or airlines but not a precious metals refinery handing millions of dollars of gold on a routine basis. So we are to believe RCM didn't notice any missing gold through standard reconciliations processes AND their metal detection devices were not up to par. I guess the guy just got two times lucky. A shrug from RCM  as much as to suggest "it" happens. One of the reasons that I believe governments should not be in business is because there is absolutely no accountability. Which reminds me once again of this: " These accusations of theft laid in July sit uncomfortably with the 2009 news — covered nationally — that the Mint had 17,500 troy ounces of "unreconciled" gold product on its books. In other words, millions in gold was missing and the Mint was not entirely sure whether it was a record-keeping lag or some grand heist.
Even the RCMP was called in, finally concluding there was no evidence of a crime. Still, it looked bad.
"First and foremost," said an audit report, completed after much hand-wringing, "it was determined that the unreconciled difference was not the result of criminal activities, either by theft, fraud or reasons relating to data manipulations of the IT systems."
Well, if you say so." http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/co...anadian-mint
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I believe the form rule applies to cash transactions only
When Money Laundering regulations were first initiated, you are right, as I recall it applied only to cash. But that was changed. You are subject to the requirements listed below if you ever engage in the purchase or sale of precious metals, precious stones or jewellery in an amount of $10,000 or more in a single transaction. Ihttp://www.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/re-ed/dpms-eng.asp
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You DO NOT have to fill out forms or report for non cash transactions. The link you provided assumes a non traceable transaction (cash, trade, etc...)I deal extensively in bullion and with bullion wholesalers dealers with amounts over 10k. The rules are clear.
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FINTRAC webpage has recently been amended and I don't know what regulations might have been in place at the time this alleged crime occurred. But the current requirements are not black and and white -- it involves reporting suspicious activity as well and I could be wrong but as I recall that's been in place for a number of years. Given the scenario as reported by the media, there numerous points on this list that I've linked, similar to what should have raised suspicion by the gold bullion dealer. During the trial, the defence offered no alternative source of the gold other than to suggest it wasn't necessarily from the mint if they didn't know it was missing. That might suggest a guy walks in with $180k in gold in less than four months and the bullion dealer didn't ask any questions either. http://www.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/pub...eng.asp#s3-18.11 Dealers in precious metals and stones
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Again, there is no requirement to report tracked transactions over 10K as long as an electronic trail exists and there is no suspicion of fraud (which is subject to opinion of the people performing the transaction). It's not uncommon to see transactions for those amount and significantly more occur daily in the bullion/scrap market without anyone bating an eye. It would be VERY difficult to prove by the court that the bullion dealer did not somehow perform due diligence (which he is expected to do). The system worked BECAUSE there was a trail and the offender did subsequently get caught. Cheques were issued and the money trail was followed.
Edited by TheCoinHunter 09/22/2016 2:28 pm
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Fintrac in it's own way is another government agency going stupid, the big five banks all have large towers in Caymen Islands as reported by the CBC investigative show , name I can't recall but there's only one reason for their presence on these island and today a related story on 3 of the big banks having a large presence in Bahamas generally with the same question of why are they in these corrupt islands, yet they want all types of business to report basically any financial transaction. The CBC show was the Fifth Estate
Edited by john100 09/22/2016 2:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Very true John. One problem with Fintrac is that it grew out of 9/11 and the need to curtail the movement of funds destined for terrorism but is now slowly creeping into other uses by the government. The rules are purposely loosely written in many cases to have people voluntarily cough up information they may not need to. Here is an example. I had sold some property in the USA and was bringing a cheque made out to my name for 57k. I was asked the standard 10K question at the border and I said no but I do have a cheque for 57k made out to me from my lawyer. I got pulled in and asked to fill out a fintrac form. I said I was not required by law but I would do it. After I was finished, I asked the supervisor to come out and educate his agent on the rules. My sarcastic comment didn't get a warm reception, and while the supervisor was tearing up the form, he said "Sir, you can go"....
Edited by TheCoinHunter 09/22/2016 4:57 pm
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....— covered nationally — that the Mint had 17,500 troy ounces of "unreconciled" gold product on its books. In other words, millions in gold was missing and the Mint was not entirely sure whether it was a record-keeping lag or some grand heist.
Even the RCMP was called in, finally concluding there was no evidence of a crime. Still, it looked bad.
"First and foremost," said an audit report, completed after much hand-wringing, "it was determined that the unreconciled difference was not the result of criminal activities, either by theft, fraud or reasons relating to data manipulations of the IT systems." In unrelated news,..There has been a huge drop off in the sale of Vaseline in the Ottawa area in the last week....
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Pillar of the Community
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If the concealment was done in a washroom stall, it is quite possible that when he exited, if he did not check the bottom of his shoes, he might have left a paper trail!
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Quote: If the concealment was done in a washroom stall, it is quite possible that when he exited, if he did not check the bottom of his shoes, he might have left a paper trail! Puns at their finest 
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hmm, what were the coins ? Are they available to the public yet ? If not, guilty.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Coins? There are no coins, just pucks of gold
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According to one article:
"According to records, 18 pucks and dozens of gold coins were stolen between Nov. 27, 2014, and March 12, 2015, totaling $179,015.
Lawrence set off the mint's metal detector more often than other employees, but regularly passed a second manual search with a hand-held wand.
Lawrence was terminated following the incident, but Justice Peter Doody reserved decision on the case until Nov. 9."
It's Doody's duty to determine if Lawrence do the dirty deed.
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Edited by nss-52 10/23/2016 07:58 am
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