1851 Trime - Opinions On Grade And What You Would Pay

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11983 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 08:40 am After looking at what seemed like thousands of ugly 3-cent silver trimes, finally found one I liked. This example shows clearly that the planchet for these coins was so thin that the design elements of the reverse are clearly visible in the obverse and vice-versa. Just went from acquiring the largest silver coin minted by the US to the smallest. Quite a ride. As always, I would appreciate your thoughts on grade and what you would pay for this coin. Price paid revealed in 48 hours. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff

IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 37206 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 09:15 am MS-63. I bought a similar piece for $160. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11983 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 09:41 am Wow! $160 seems like quite a bargain. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 09:55 am I'm seeing the smallest brush of circulation. I mean the lightest bit, so I'd be at AU-58. Given that, I'd guess a price in the $180-200 range. Report this Post to the Staff
Dustin6 Pillar of the Community United States 3516 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 11:00 am I say a slider, so either 58 or 62. Price. 180-240 Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 4:33 pm Agree possible slider, hard to say from pics alone. Nice example. Edited by Coinfrog 12/30/2016 4:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
TypeCoin971793 Pillar of the Community United States 6370 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 5:38 pm This is by far one of the nicest coins you have posted here (in terms of quality, not value). I can't see anything less than AU-58. I don't see any obvious wear, but I'd rather see it in hand to make that determination. From the pics, I can see MS-63. Quote: This example shows clearly that the planchet for these coins was so thin that the design elements of the reverse are clearly visible in the obverse and vice-versa. What you are looking at is a die clash, not the result of the thin planchet. Quote: Just went from acquiring the largest silver coin minted by the US to the smallest You have a draped bust dollar? Edited by TypeCoin971793 12/30/2016 5:38 pm Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11983 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 5:44 pm Draped bust $ is 26.96 grams while the trade $ is 27.22 grams. Trade $ also has more silver. ASEs are larger, but those weren't meant for circulation so I didn't include those into consideration. I don't have a draped bust $ yet but I hope to in the new year. Just gotta find the right one. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/30/2016 5:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11983 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 6:05 pm I also thought the star and crescent visible on the other side of the coin were die clashes at first, but the die clashes I have seen seem to leave a sharper impression. The devices I see on this coin and other trimes seem hazy and dull consistent with transfer from an impression on the opposite side. Below is the sharp impression that I would expect from a clashed die taken from my 3CN. Of course, let me know if I am completely off base. I'm still learning. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/30/2016 7:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff
yhbearcats Pillar of the Community United States 688 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 6:18 pm MS-63. Now that is a nice coin! Report this Post to the Staff
CoinCollector2012 Pillar of the Community United States 8137 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 7:25 pm MS-62 Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5722 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 9:19 pm Very nice. I don't see any definite wear, I'll say MS-63. Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 9:39 pm These coins did show design transfer from time to time, and also die clash, sometimes hand in hand. Photos are badly out of focus, so it could be either a high AU or low MS coin, as the consensus seems to be here. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
Joseph7420 Bedrock of the Community Canada 11922 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 10:40 pm I am thinking MS-63. Report this Post to the Staff
Connor Pillar of the Community United States 2130 Posts	Posted 12/30/2016 10:44 pm I'm thinking MS62 Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11983 Posts	Posted 12/31/2016 09:45 am So upon further research, this is not the smallest silver coin produced by the US for circulation, but close. This is a type 1 3-cent silver trime which weighs 0.8 grams and is 75% silver 25% copper. The type 2 and 3 coins from 1854-1873 weigh 0.75 grams and are 90% silver 10% copper. Type 1 coins are more susceptible to tarnish due to the higher copper content and will tarnish differently. The 3-cent silver trimes of all types were 14mm in diameter. Interestingly type 1 gold dollars are 13mm in diameter but weigh 1.672 grams, so slightly smaller in diameter but more than twice the mass. Type 2 and 3 gold dollars increased to 15mm in diameter but remained the same weight. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 12/31/2016 09:46 am Report this Post to the Staff
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