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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
Terry can you give us some examples of 8% div yield preferred stocks. Are they Reits? My problem with them is if they cut the dividend it is easy to lose 20% in a day. I don't like to reach for yield in a low interest rate environment. The thing is it seems like it could be time to start thinking about taking a bit off the table with stocks. The question is where to rotate now? If Leon is correct and the metals are going to break here perhaps some miners start looking interesting?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have a 401K and vested pension. Faith in my PM's only - "if you don't hold it, you don't own it'"
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Valued Member
Australia
491 Posts |
Of all the things to invest in to make a $ why would you choose straight PM's?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
Targa Resources Partners has a preferred stock I own that has perpetual yield of 9%. They are less risky than common stock and more risky than treasury bonds. If you buy $50,000 of the preferred stock you will get $4500 a year in dividends which are taxed at the 20% rate which is much less than tax on interest or on regular earned income. These things do have special risks but even if the company were to go broke you will get something back. Most of the big banks sell preferred stock which often has a yield of 6% to 7% and insurance companies sell preferred stock. The government will not allow these entities to go broke. You start to see why the 1% has such a huge advantage over they guy who earns his money and does not invest. Everything favors invested money as opposed to earned money.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: You start to see why the 1% has such a huge advantage over they guy who earns his money and does not invest. Everything favors invested money as opposed to earned money. This is an important point. The 1% run Washington D.C. and basically own the U.S. Congress and the U.S. media. They will keep the game running as long as possible through favorable legislation and propaganda and it will certainly outlive most of us. Last year's election will do very little to "change the system" which is at the same time both broken and corrupt but also with the strength of the USD and U.S economy behind it.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: The government will not allow these entities to go broke This is why the US economy is in such terrible shape. This makes the concept of free enterprise look like a joke and corruption is rampant in the US.
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
Terry any company paying 9% dividends in a our low interest rate environment probably has a bit of risk... I think Vanguard has a low cost preferred stock mutual fund to lessen the risk. Still, I remember preferred stocks got destroyed in 2008, 2009 etc. There was nowhere to hide. Then as the recession took hold many had to cut those dividends and they fell more. The ones that did not go out of business were once in a lifetime buys. But, who was going to buy then when it seemed as if our whole economy was collapsing? Markets seem phony and just about as overvalued now as they were then...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Preferred stocks can be recalled and dividends can be suspended, but if the company survives you will be reimbursed. The thing is that a preferred stock is like a bond, but can be recalled unlike say a 30 year treasury bond yielding 3%. If your preferred stock drops below par value they are liquid and can be sold. If you either buy a preferred ETF or fund and price starts to take a hit sell them. If you pick wisely like preferred stock for Wells Fargo or Goldman Sachs you know they are too big to fail and they own the government anyway. A run of the mill preferred bank stock is yielding 6% at least. I have been counting dividends for years. The reason you don't see much about preferred stocks is that they are not sexy. They are income stocks like utilities, but safer than those things.
Troy I get where you are coming from since I own some oil stocks which had very good dividends in 2014 and got killed and dividends were cut but they were just common stock. What I did learn is that nobody can predict these things and if you are not invested you can't make money. I got killed in 2009 with my stocks, but I hung in there and now they have tripled in value. PM's are just so volatile you could stack them for thirty years and then they could triple in a year and that is when to sell them.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I think a lot of stackers are waiting and willing to wait for the time when PM's skyrocket. What often doesn't get talked about is if/when that happens quite likely a number of other financial issues will be at the forefront which may offset the benefits of owning PM's. Predicting when and what is going to happen is impossible. Personally, I am done with the stock market after 2009 - never again.
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
I know many who vow to never to return to the stock market. It would be have been helpful if the rule of law was actually followed and the too big to fail were allowed repercussions for bad investments like the rest of us instead of receiving promotions and bonuses for failure. Now many markets again seem to be in huge bubbles inflated by the biggest debt bubble ever. It just seems like a good idea to stack something real. The fun part is we get to buy these wonderful coins that are pieces of history. They could help to see us through in the event of bad times...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Personally, I don't believe PM's will ever be 'allowed' to skyrocket, even if the current money system tanks.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: Personally, I don't believe PM's will ever be 'allowed' to skyrocket, even if the current money system tanks. IF the current Fiat money tanks or collapses the ONLY PM's that will be affected will be the "Paper" holdings, These will probably simply "Vanish" The Physical PM's will be valued by supply and demand and the government will be powerless to change this and this is what ALL governments are terrified of 
Edited by trout1105 01/30/2017 04:00 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
570 Posts |
Quote: Personally, I don't believe PM's will ever be 'allowed' to skyrocket, even if the current money system tanks. They did from 2000 to 2011.
Edited by beem 01/30/2017 09:38 am
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
I notice that on a day like today with nearly everything in the red metals are green. They seem to have a non-correlation to stocks and bonds in uncertain times.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: They did from 2000 to 2011. If one considers it took over 30 years from the highs in '80 to the same highs in 2011, I suppose you could call that 'skyrocketing'. What is that, like a 3% increase considering inflation?
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
Edited by fistfulladirt 01/30/2017 12:15 pm
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