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 Posted 03/07/2018  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the kind words guys!


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from a scholarly perspective, increasingly important.

I hope so Bob...
Due to the lack of easy to obtain information out there, my aim is to produce a visual reference that is as user friendly as possible for future collectors,so they don't have to go through the same difficulties that I've experienced in attributing these coins.For example learning how to read Nagari script albeit at a basic level...I'm learning all the time as something new crops up and at the moment working on the generally neglected reverse legends..


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Are you finding these attribited, or sifting through the mind-numbing sea of identical "Diddarani" ebay listings?

A bit of both Steve...but after a while you can spot a rare one a mile off!
This one was attributed but spelt wrong so I basically stumbled across it...this being another problem with the series.Depending on which limited references you use, the dates of govern and the actual spelling of the rulers name varies..I now have 12 different search phrases which seems to pull out the majority of the coins,but there's always some that escape..A few of the more uncommon rulers have come from 6 or 8 coin lots described as 'Didda Rani'

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 Posted 03/08/2018  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel your pain. I've missed out on more than a few rare coins because the seller opted for some excessively unusual misspelling that my search queries wouldn't have caught.

At any rate, it is impressive that you have managed to assemble as many as you have!
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 Posted 03/14/2018  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another rare ruler!...With a nice clear 'Cha' to the right of the goddess...

Stumbled upon this one accidently

Chakravarman 923 -933 and again 936-937 AD
After the death of his crippled father Nirjitavarman in 923 AD, Chakravarman ascended to the throne(though still a child)under the guardianship of his mother and grandmother and reigned for 10 years until being ousted by the Tantrins (a powerful military caste of unknown origin).Basically over the next 3 years the Tantrins became more powerful using puppet kings such as Partha and Suravarman(other sons of Nirjitavarman from different wives)to gain wealth.
Whilst all this turmoil was in progress Chakravarman befriended a powerful damara named Samgrama forming a large army and in early 936 AD the Tantrins led by Suravarman and the Damaras led by Chakravarman met at Pampore about 11km from the ancient capital Srinagar.The Tantrins were completely routed with Chakravarman killing his stepbrother Suravarman on the battle field.
Chakravarman was then reinstated as king but over the next two years became obsessed by the two daughters of a court musician Hamsi and Nagalata marrying them both and making Hamsi the chief queen(a bad move as they were from a very low caste) and is said to have embarked on a life of debauchery and self pleasure.(well you would, wouldn't you?)
He soon forgot about the help that the Damaras had given having many of them excecuted.(You can see this one coming!)Hatred and chaos ensued and in 937 AD it is said he was murdered by the Damaras in the arms of his queen...

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 Posted 03/14/2018  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I saw that ending coming. Seems to be a number of variations of that same basic plot in the ancient world.

Congrats on picking up another rarity. Bravo!
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 Posted 03/28/2018  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob!

I've revised the reference chart to include the revese due to the research I'm knee deep in at the moment..

Hope this helps anyone who is collecting these coins..Paul

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 Posted 03/28/2018  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! I have been keeping my eyes on the ebay listings, but haven't spotted many besides Didda Rani, Harsha, and Kalasa.

Question you might be able to shed some light on... it seems obvious that these are derivatives of the Toramana II copper stater, but from my research, it seems there is more than a century gap between the end of that type and the beginning of this one... any ideas what was going on there?

Also, do you have a Toramana II? I'd love to see it if you do!
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 Posted 03/28/2018  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Steve!
On your first point...I don't know how serious you want to get into this series so I'll PM you with some contacts..

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it seems there is more than a century gap

Probably closer to two centuries and it's a real 'grey' area, and not much out there! But it's an era I will look into in the near future..
As for Toramana II coins I have zero but again an area I will move into soon...'one on the way' and have done quite alot of research over the last year, already having quite a few irregularities that I need to clear up before diving in..

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Here's a "very" rare Kshemagupta coin with only the kings name on it...
The majority of his coins have the queens name to the left "Di" (Didda rani).They married in late AD 950 and it is said that he soon fell under her spell becoming completely infatuated with her beauty to the point of being nicknamed "Diddakshema" by the populace.It is quite rare to find a king adding his wife's name to his own coins.So with this in mind I can tentatively date this coin to his early years of reign around AD 950/51.
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Below left a common "Di" "Kshema" coin and to the right the rare "Kshema" coin..
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The Kashmiri rarities keep coming! Congrats, Paul. What a collection: tightly focused, thorough in its coverage, and increasingly important. Great work.
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Paul, great set.
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 Posted 04/15/2018  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Bob and Ron!

Will post an upgraded reference chart at the end of the month with some small date changes and some new coins I'm working on at the moment...I'm getting good feedback from some new collectors who are using this chart to attribute coins and hopefully this will increase as the set grows...

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 Posted 04/28/2018  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a mystery....
This is a rare coin of Jayasimha
Jayasimha ( legend variant ) 1128-1154/5.. 18mm (6.06gr)
Obverse- Goddess Ardochsho/Lakshmi seated 'Sri ma t'(honourable) to the left and 'Jaya' to the right
Reverse- King standing facing and sacrificing at an altar with his left hand....
'Sim ha' bottom left and Deva bottom right.
Script reads 'Srimat Jayasimhadeva'
Interestingly this is the only reverse type in the series, that I've seen, where the king is holding the trident in his right hand not left!?
This is a nice coin in that it shows the full legend on the reverse and also the change of hand holding the trident and sacrificng at the altar.As to why this was done I have no idea but it's intriguing..
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 Posted 06/02/2018  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi guys need some unbiased help to determine if these Jayasimha coins are a diematch..

As far as I know a die match has never been found in this series so it would be great news if they are.
These coins are rare enough individually but as a match.
I've gone cross eyed and over-biased so need someone to put me straight one way or the other..Thanks

Any thoughts from the pros?

Paul

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Bump....General consensus from other experts is the obverse is a match reverse not....

Any thoughts? Paul
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My completely non-expert opinion is the same - first side probably a match, second side probably not.
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