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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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ohhhh boy! this derailed quickly! why does everything have to be offensive these days? granny bait is an effective term, not a sexist one! the RCM pushes it as things it's not to people who have the money and will buy it thinking it is an investment or consider it a good gift..this quite often is elderly people, I worked in a flee market coin shop for a couple years and lots of older people, as many females as males, or even more I might add were often either looking to buy some mint products or were shocked to see what we paid for them and then the truth hit them, it's sad to see. on another note, this whole political correctness thing and calling everything sexist, etc is a dangerous slope to say the least..how do you know I am not offended deeply? as you implied that there is a deeply rooted misogynistic origin to the phrase granny bait, which is a numismatic term? maybe I'm offended you're saying there are sexist undertones in the hobby I love? no, I am not offended, I do not get offended easily and that is the way i'd like to see other people also, not because you are desensitized, but because less pointless stuff hurts you, life becomes simpler and better. crucifying the original poster for using the term, because you think there is a misogynistic origin to it is complete you know what IMO. the OP didn't invent the term, it is just widely used and rightly so, as it is an effective term, not a sexist one...ugh please.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@wildflowerAB  Yes the term should be relegated to the historical dust bin. Unfortunately it seems you either get why or you don't. Why not just say 'rip-off' and move on guys? Anybody want to discuss the comparisons between NCLT and new cars for 'investment' value and associated profits for the companies that produce them? 
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
606 Posts |
How about we get back to the original rant by inconnu. I agree with the majority of your points. I do think the internet is great for the hobby for a number of reasons but I do miss the person to person contact that coin clubs and B/M provided when I started in the hobby in the late 50's. I am glad that you still have your passion for collecting in other areas.
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Valued Member
United States
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I know some people who wake up offended. I know others who still need a few minutes after they wake up to find something to offended them.
In regard to the actual topic, I think at a higher level the issues inconnu cited about Canadian coin collecting are transversal to coins of other countries and even other hobbies potentially: shrinking market, quality fakes, aftermarkets, etc.
Other than some BU bullion, you couldn't convince me to try to collect Canadian coinage (no offense). Mostly because the way I enjoy collecting means I want to collect all of it, or none of it. That isn't easy to do with the sheer volume of Canadian offerings.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Thanks Dollarman, I couldn't have said it better myself. To make it totally PC and inoffensive to everyone I suggest the term be changed to " persons of an advanced age whose offspring have also reproduced bait". There, that should take care of the PC crowd. One question, does a gentleman named Zonad hang out around here ? I enjoyed his posts, he spoke his mind, and hadn't been neutered yet.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Zonad's around, but posts infrequently. As to the opening post, I really wish I knew where the Canadian coin market was going in the next decade or two. I am still buying, but occasionally wonder if I should be selling. One of the keys will be if people come back to collecting in their middle age, when they have more resources, like many of us did.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'm pretty sure the great Zonad is still around..but it does look like he's been gone a while..i hope he's ok  I sure hope someone here can inform us about any news regarding him.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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oh ok, thank you Bosox, I'm glad to hear that. I look forward to his next visit.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Valued Member
Canada
343 Posts |
Getting back to the original topic I am puzzled by the last comment the OP made in regards to regrets about stamp collecting. I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that all the points made about what is challenging the hobby of coin collecting is also applicable - if not more so - to the hobby of stamps.  I have no idea if counterfeiting of stamps is as pervasive as in the coin community.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think it is just a name (remember the old saying sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. Some good points about the way the hobby and market seems to be going. The internet has had a big part in it. Example the hard to get coins from your local coin shops suddenly become readily available and at reasonable prices this might be why some coins have gone down in price and why shops close down the shop owners have to sharpen the pencils more so now then ever and change the way they used to do business become more computer smart and use this to there advantage have a good web page with good pictures reasonable prices with lots of inventory to choose from. I think the trends are all over the board with there prices some coins are over priced that are common and scarcer coins that are harder to find are under priced. I mainly collect 1 cent small and large and notice it most for them, but I do collect 5,10,and 25 cent coins and there are some in every denomination that are over and under valued so to go to trends as a guide for a starting point not a firm price. As for all the forgery coins that have entered the market we should all keep a sharp eye out for this and report it right away (it is a criminal offence)do our part and help police it we owe it to the hobby as collectors and to new comers to the hobby. The RCM products aren't my collecting area either but to each there own I do agree they over charge for there items and most do go down lots in value so the way I see what the mint has done is demand the highest premium the coin would most likely ever achieve for the next 10 years so no room for anyone else (coin shops)unless its a hit and sells out fast low mintage. For the grading companies they are human and will make mistakes many factors for there screw ups they are all guilty of it one time or another so back to the old saying (buy the coin not the certificate) I also agree with others that as older collectors and with some sort of knowledge of coins and the hobby by dropping out of the hobby probably will help the decline of the hobby not help it in anyway. Also agree we should share our finds with pictures of varieties or neat coins we have found that makes others more interested in collecting and give them something to watch for. But I know how frustrating it can be as well so I know where your coming from inconnu and others who feel the same I get down sometimes as well then I find another nice coin and I'm happy again. Cherry picking and finding treasures can make everyone happy. Happy Hunting, Please take these comments as my opinion only
Edited by papeldog 02/08/2017 2:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Stamp collecting fizzled I think because of the post mailing generation having no regard or sentimental attachment to something they never used, and it's very possible we may see the same as coins and banknotes become something that's fazed out in 20 years in exchange for an on screen only point system.
Who knows, the new currency the government rolls out might be "kind points" distributed to individuals based on stances taken for or against specific social issues of the day.
Used the term granny bait, -20 kind points
Spoke out against the term granny bait, +100 kind points
Questioned carbon tax in relation to anthropogenic climate change, morally bankrupt.
I hope we don't summon pacificcoin, his head will expolad with this convo.
I don't mean to make light of this. I have no problem with any term accepted by the community at large as long as it captures the idea afficiently.
Edited by Alan 02/08/2017 2:17 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1101 Posts |
Quote: then I find another nice coin and I'm happy again. Well said papeldog! I will collect as long as it is enjoyable, and then teach my grandchildren about them if they are so inclined. It's been a great hobby for me since I was 7 years old. I'm not ready to give up on it yet!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Also agree we should share our finds with pictures of varieties or neat coins we have found that makes others more interested in collecting and give them something to watch for.
But I know how frustrating it can be as well so I know where your coming from inconnu and others who feel the same I get down sometimes as well then I find another nice coin and I'm happy again.
Cherry picking and finding treasures can make everyone happy. Certainly the coin collecting hobby is a big unknown as to it's sustainability .. Many factors in play here but most of the younger generations certainly do not collect or have "collections" as some of our forefathers did. We may win or then again maybe not...but for many of us..it's a lot of shared fun and getting the knowledge out as much as possible adds greatly here. Our postings are often out there to generate questions and to stimulate others to stay in the hobby or share their knowledge. ...and for many of us still here,.."it's all about the hunt". One of Okies favorite sayings..
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Aghawk, the philatelist crowd is suffering from the same demographics as numismatics. There is an elderly gentleman that lives two doors down that is a pillar amongst the stamp collecting community. He invited me in for a coffee and showed me some of his collection. WOW ! There were stamps that I could have only dreamed about when I was active in the hobby. We chatted about coins and stamps and life in general. Then he told me something that shocked me - "my collection is worth about 20% of what I paid for it". I could not believe what he had told me. His response was "when was the last time that you mailed anything?" OK I can't argue with his assessment of the market. I got into this hobby a long time ago. I thought that my collection would retain its value and would be passed on to my kids ever though I knew I was buying retail and selling wholesale. I have done well in some areas. I liquidated my 1953 silver dollars with die cracks to a some very motivated buyers on ebay. I did well on my collection of silver maple leafs. The remainder of my collection...well not so good. I still retain my HC and UHC pieces due to their rarity and beauty, so I still have some skin in the game. If someone has proposed that I give him/her one hundred dollars and they would give me twenty dollars thirty years later I would have thought them to be daft. Unfortunately this is what I have done with most of my collection.
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Valued Member
Canada
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inconnu
Thanks for the response.
Yes, it is sad to see those things we thought collectable and something of value that we could pass on to our kids/grandkids be devalued to such an extent.
Why I thought stamps were harder hit is because they lack intrinsic value - at least if I collect silver and gold coins they have that value (whatever it may be at the time) . . .
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