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..and that's just nasty..
Now that does just seem like a bit of "baiting"..
 . Respecting one another isn't important? A hobby is supposed to be fun, is it not? It's certainly not something any of us are forced to do. If people are not respectful toward each other, no matter what they collect, it's certainly not going to be fun. |
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United States
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You should collect what you enjoy, and it doesn't have to pertain to coins. If you enjoy it, do it. There is no right or wrong way to collect. To each our own. I have been collecting coins on and off since I was 13, I am 40 now. I really enjoy collecting Canadian coins. I think they are interesting and I like the designs. There is a certain level of consistency that I like (something that has been lacking on US coins). Plus I like the idea of coins donning Kings & Queens. I find collecting Canadian coins very rewarding and challenging at the same time. Being one who lives outside of Canada it's a bit more tough getting what I need. Lots of patience is required with shipping times from Canada on ebay. Another challenging thing is all the varieties weather it be the denticals, different type faces on the dates, etc...I wouldn't necessarily say those things are required for a complete set but that is where personal choice comes in. |
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It was not my intention in my original post to offend any ones delicate sensibilities, but it appears that I have. To those that understood the intent of my post, thank you for your comments. To those of who were offended my the phrase that I used and could infer sexism or misogyny, I take offense at your condescension. Now to further the cause of upsetting the cupcakes amongst you, I will have a Granny Smith apple and search for a coin forum that is not so PC.
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I have been following this thread with interest and noticed that I have been mentioned a couple of times. Sure as most of you know , I am certainly not politically correct nor an enlightened liberal snow flake. That said that is not why I am putting my Two Cents worth here. The term " Granny Bait " , I find somewhat offensive, even though most Collectors and dealers know exactly what it means and pertains to. There are and have been over the years many Grand Parents , ( from experience Grandmas ) who would love to have their grandchildren take an interest in history and tradition of our country. Well meaning grandparents often encourage a coin or two. As to Inconnus original post , I still sense an underlying passion is there albeit on the back burner. But not to despair coin collecting in Canada right now may be not where it was , say 6 or 7 years ago , but it is far from dead. The internet has forever changed retail sales in everything. I closed my own bricks and mortar store( Pacific Coin Centre Ltd in Victoria BC ) in the late 1990s and have operated online through our now 2 ebay stores , my wife's Etsy store. As well we attend many coin shows and sell at a collectors market each week on the Lower Mainland. The encouraging part is , there are young people involved and others are returning to the hobby. There is still plenty of business to be done. I am currently in Europe on a buying trip. The London England Coin Fair Was last Saturday . It was very busy and there was lots of action and a buzz in the room. The fascinating part, I am having a tough time buying stuff here for the first time in years! This even with a very high USD. Don't shovel dirt on the grave yet! Coin collecting is far from finished. Edited by Pacificoin
02/08/2017 7:28 pm
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Canada
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inconnu, I'm also in Victoria BC and I'm still really fired up about collecting Canadian coins/notes. Maybe if you wanted to do coffee sometime we can coin-talk and it could let you vent and who knows, maybe you'd get a bit excited about it again. You can PM me if you want. Cheers!
PS - this isn't a pick-up attempt
PPS - I wasn't offended by "Granny bait", but then, I ain't a granny.
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When I was a young kid, my friend showed me a shoebox full of coins that he got from his Grandmother at Christmas, birthdays, etc. Most of them were taken out of their holders and spent over the years. The first time I heard the term "granny bait", I thought to myself, "I fully understand what you mean". It was not just NCLT coins in my friends collection, but a mix of RCM issued coins. None were going to fetch anywhere near issue price. Being a male in my 30s, I was not offended by the terminology used. From my experience, it was most appropriate. My friends grandmother was not a stupid lady. She knew the market value when she bought the coins. It actually made me think of my friend buying cigarettes at 14 years old with the coins that he got from his grandmother. The coins, bought and given with love, at a steep mark up, were only worth face value in the end. The point I'm trying to make is, she bought them in place of a cheap toy that would be short lived, or a shirt that would be outgrown. The fact that this debate over the term "granny bait" has had more replies than the topic of the original post, verifies the OP in my opinion. It's more entertaining to discuss political correctness than numismatics from the looks of it. |
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Canada
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Certainly a lot of valid points have been made here concerning the current state of coin collecting in Canada. I wouldn't mind adding my 2 cents worth to this discussion. Certainly all the fakes from China does add a lot of uncertainty into the market. Can you really blame those people who are interested in (but don't know about) Canadian coins for staying away just to avoid being scammed/ripped off? Grade creep among TPGs is certainly an issue in this hobby. I do like Canadian coins quite a bit, and I definitely think everybody should learn how to grade for themselves. My preferred TPG is PCGS, and I think they do a decent job of grading MS Canadian coins. However, when it comes to circulated Canadian coins, I avoid PCGS at all costs. I believe PCGS severely over-grades in this area, and it is a very contentious issue for me. One only has to take a look at offerings on ebay, particularly anything from Victoria through George V. Seriously, coins that shouldn't be any more than a VG-8 being graded as high as VF-35, or F-12 being graded upwards of XF-45? Give me a break! Another issue is recent circulating issues. Specifically, the issue for me is just way too many commemoratives being issued.especially crappy ones. It certainly is exhausting to see at least a couple of new commemoratives being issued each year for regular circulation, and it seems like any old silly reason will do. I'll bet you right now there probably is somebody sitting at the mint thinking "I bet the queen ate breakfast this morning, we should issue a commemorative for that!" Enough with the flood of idiotic commemoratives. I have worked within the last few years as a retail cashier, and it seems as though the only people who get excited over all these stupid commemoratives are women in their 70s and up. An interesting point when it comes to the purchase of coins is ebay. Sure, it is great in the way that now collectors have a wide variety of coins to choose from and purchase at their finger tips.even though this surely does have an impact on dealers who have a regular store-front and travel the coin show circuit. Yet, when you see people wanting at least 100% of trends and in some cases way more than trends, who would want to buy these coins (especially considering if one was to sell they would be lucky to get only 40 - 50% of the already over inflated trends price, and most likely even less than that)? Edited by Stogie
02/08/2017 9:33 pm
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Canada
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Being a male in my 30s, I was not offended by the terminology used. From my experience, it was most appropriate.
Redzapsid, not picking on you but I'm curious. You've collected NCLT, yet in your opinion it's appropriate that your collection be referred to as GrannyBait? Otherwise you might have misunderstand the context of the word. To some circulation collectors, anyone who buys "GrannyBait" is foolishly wasting their money (not to defend the virtues of NCLT whatsoever, but that's a separate topic). GrannyBait is definitely not a term of endearment. And thank you very much to the few of you who spoke out and who also view GrannyBait to be offensive. There's hope yet:-) |
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Canada
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I am "this" close to splitting this entire thread and throwing the entire "granny-bait" debate away...
WildflowerAB - if your intent was to derail the entire thread, congratulations... however, tread very carefully, because in our books, that is called "trolling". It is unproductive and utterly irrelevant to the original poster's message and intent. Trolling is unacceptable here... if you want to debate political correctness in numismatics, then take it to the General Discussion forum.
As for the rest of you... you should have known better than to "feed the trolls"...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Thank you Spp-Ottawa
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02/09/2017 12:08 am
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 back to CCF inconnu (Rob). I think you had a handful of posts here a couple years ago... There are a good number of us from CCRS who migrated here. On one hand, we lost a true "Canadian Coin Site" but on the other hand, we do get collectors from all over the world poking in the Canadian sub forums here and participating, and some even picking up the collecting of Canadian coins. On CCRS, I recall your candid posts... I suspect for poor old Brian Smith, the truth was a bitter pill to swallow on many topics that we called out on that site. I left pretty much when everyone else did... (I used to be Sherwood Park Pennies on CCRS). From my own experience, to address your points (numbered in the same fashion you have listed): 1) yes, and no... coin shows are not like they used to be, but online buying has increased a lot. I think a newer generation of buyers and collectors like the anonymity rather than getting an "evil eye" on the auction floor or arguing with dealers at show. 2. I concur. Trends and the Charlton catalogue badly need a pricing overhaul... I suspect there is wishful thinking of some dealers for pre-2006 prices. 3. Perhaps, yet new ones continue to open... 4. Fakes are not a new problem - human nature and greed is an uphill battle in almost any hobby. 5. RCM... where to begin. Nevermind the sheer number of issues, it is the issue price being 4 to 10 times the intrinsic value of silver and gold that is most frustrating. 6. Valid points - but, I happen to like TPG holders... so we can agree to disagree 7. Not sure that is considered a "disturbing development"... there are always places to hunt out desirable coins... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Canada
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SPP, it's good to hear from the old gang again. I've been lurking for awhile but couldn't get into the flow. It seems that some threads can get hijacked and drift OT very quickly. Evidently the fact that I only had 13 posts seemed to invalidate my fourteenth and I must have been mistaken for a newbie. The 1000+ posts from CCRS do not exist anymore.
I have been active on other sites involving other hobbies and the glaring difference between them and here is the near total lack of a sense of humour around here. I used to enjoy the discussions on CCRS and would log on a couple of times a day. The banter was respectful, often humorous and
sometime intense. I do not recall any lame attempt at intimidation or group speak as I've encountered here. I like to hear other collector's perspectives without dismissing them for their lack of experience or knowledge. Yes we did give Brian a hard time but he placed his own interests and objectivity ahead of a pretty good forum. C'est la vie.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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inconnu Its a shame what happened to your post, I believe there are a good people on here, and it sounds as if you have a wealth of knowledge to share, so I hope this hasn't left to sour of a taste, for you not to come back
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Canada
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