Fel Temps From Sisica With Symbols In Fields

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maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 04/01/2017 06:46 am The FEL TEMP REPARATIO series contains lots of variation. The ouput of Siscia contains a series with some odd symbols in the mintmarks. an example of these symbls is attached below. Amongst this series is a small group where the coins have started to decrease in size and these symbols appear in the fields instead of in the exe where they usually appear. RIC designates these as common but they seem more difficult to obtain in practice. I recently managed to obtain a couple and thought it worth sharing them here. Constans - AE3 Obv:- DN CONSTA-NS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right, Rev:- FEL TEMP-REPARATIO, Nimbate Phoenix standing right on ile of rocks Minted in Siscia; (_ \| Sym2 //BSIS), A.D. 348-350 Reference:- RIC VIII Siscia 247 (C) 0 degrees. 2.59 gms. 19.28 mm (I suspect that the silvering is not ancient.) Constans - AE3 Obv:- DN CONSTA-NS PF AVG, rosette-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right, Rev:- FEL TEMP-REPARATIO, emperor in military dress standing left on galley, holding Phoenix on globe and labarum, Victory sitting at the stern, steering the ship Minted in Siscia; (Sym4 \| _ //DSIS), A.D. 348-350 Reference:- RIC VIII Siscia 248 corr. (err. in RIC right field instead of left field) (C2) 0 degrees. 2.65 gms. 18.67 mm Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 04/01/2017 07:41 am It was fairly common to see various letters in the field, but I don't believe I've ever encountered any symbols like these. So that looked like these. Is there a list of their meaning? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 04/01/2017 07:44 am We have no idea. RIC did suggest that the symbol was linked directly to the officina but there are several exceptions to this rule that suggest this supposition is incorrect. Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 04/01/2017 07:58 am That's odd given how well the Romans recorded everything. Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 04/01/2017 08:33 am MOst of what we know about the mintage of coins is from modern study rather than mint records. Details on chronology, manufacturing process etc. etc. simply don't exist. Report this Post to the Staff
Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 04/02/2017 07:14 am Really interesting thread Martin Before the Roman occupation of this area in modern day Croatia the local inhabitants were Celtic and Illyrian,maybe this has some bearing on the Siscia mint symbols...just a thought Celtic Runes Illyrian Alphabet Thanks for sharing Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff
Palouche Pillar of the Community Spain 2752 Posts	Posted 04/02/2017 10:01 am Quote: RIC designates these as common but they seem more difficult to obtain in practice. Your right Martin,I've just looked through mashops and vcoins and I can't find a single one! But maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? Saludos Paul Report this Post to the Staff
lrbguy Pillar of the Community United States 949 Posts	Posted 04/04/2017 12:05 pm Great images Martin. As Doug said (on Forum), "the nice ones seem to find a way to your door." A few weeks ago I started following the thread on Forum that touched on these marks. I had been assembling groups of the more common versions by emperor type and officina a few years ago. The versions with field marks instead of exergual marks are an added wrinkle, particularly for the galley type. The Phoenix with right field marks are listed as RIC VIII Siscia 247 for all five officinae. However, the galley with left field marks are not listed at all, but have been illustrated at Forum for three officinae. Here is my only example with a field mark (Vendor image): My pic (lighting not as good): Like you I see the galley type with field marks as a step just before the exergual types, but have not yet seen all the symbols in the fields for either the galley type nor the Phoenix on mound. I will be keeping my eyes open at the show this weekend. As for the Frequency notes, Kent followed the same pattern as the others before him. His notes refer to the specimens in his survey of collections, not the general marketplace. The Phoenix type with field marks was C2 because it was well represented in his sources. That doesn't mean it will be easy to find in the marketplace. As for the galley type, no comment. Edited by lrbguy 04/04/2017 12:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
tenbobbit Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 701 Posts	Posted 04/30/2017 06:00 am This one was issued for Julian II as Augustus and has a field mark that doesn't look like anything on those charts ( I know its not a FTR ) still worth sharing. Dane has it down as " looking like " Gamma but I am not sure this is correct, mine is a vertical squiggly line that terminates to our Left, the WW example is a Gamma MM so maybe that is why they call it Gamma. RIC VIII - 124 CYZICVS, Delta MM Edited by tenbobbit 04/30/2017 06:22 am Report this Post to the Staff
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