'64 Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC "proof" Struck With SMS Die?

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durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 11:42 am Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 12:29 pm Don't know if it is a proof,rim is not squared off looking. But I do really like the look. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 12:39 pm I cut it from the proof cello myself. Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 1:02 pm Here's the rest of the set. Now that I look, I find myself thinking they all look SMS~ish. Lol Report this Post to the Staff
Onedollarbillnut Pillar of the Community United States 745 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 3:43 pm Looks like a Philadelphia sleeve from a mint set Tim Hughes Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 7:45 pm Is that a struck through by the T on the half? John1 Report this Post to the Staff
BStrauss3 Pillar of the Community United States 4593 Posts	Posted 05/14/2017 7:49 pm Not SMS - they didn't create those until 1965. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 01:05 am That's an inaccurate statement BStrausse3. They tested the technique prior to '65 on a very limited run of '64 proofs. Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 01:13 am "1964 Special Strike Coins There are many different theories on why the 1964 SMS coins were produced. These coins could have been produced as prototypes for the 1965 to 1967 SMS coins. The 1964 SMS coins could have also been produced as introductory pieces, possibly even intended to include a 1964-D Peace dollar. Furthermore, it is believed these SMS coins came into existence somehow through the involvement of Eva Adams, U.S. Mint Director at the time. After Eva Adams passed away, her estate was sold off and well-recognized dealer and auctioneer Lester Merkin purchased many of the coins from her estate. Lester Merkin's collection was then sold in a Stack's auction in the early 1990s, including some, if not all, of the known 1964 SMS coins." From http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/5974 Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 01:35 am Hard to convey why in a photo but these seem better. The penny is the most telling. Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 02:44 am 1964 Proof Coin 1965 SMS Coin 1972 D Business Strike (I don't have a '64 straight from the package but this penny is about as good a coin as I've ever pulled from a mint set) And now my '64 suspected SMS The suspected SMS and the '65 SMS look the most alike to me. What do you all think? Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 02:49 am These were all taken under the same lighting conditions. See the texture on the suspected SMS Lincoln as opposed to the business strike? See the grainy smoothness of the fields of the suspected SMS and the '65 SMS but how they lack the mirrored proof depth? The level of care in which Proof type/SMS coins are handled during production is much higher than that of a business strike coin, even for a set. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 04:43 am Flatten those staples asap. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
durkastani Valued Member United States 452 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 12:19 pm Is there a way to get them more flat? I already used pliers in the picture. Lol. I think it must have been a drop of water on the holder as opposed to a strike through btw. Edited by durkastani 05/15/2017 12:25 pm Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/15/2017 12:39 pm They do make a flat stapler. I use a regular stapler and a pair of pliers on mine. Some of the staples in your pics don't look flat to me. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/17/2017 1:17 pm Here is a large image of the 1964 SMS cent: Click on the image to enlarge it. Note they don't look like proof cents and have a certain die scratch pattern when observed on closer inspection: Obverse: Reverse: Note the finish is not a proof. Your coin looks like it came from a proof set for 1964. Not the same this as the SMS coin. These are rare and probably less than 50-100 known. (or even less) Report this Post to the Staff
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'64 LMC "Proof" Struck With SMS Die?